Dear Selma, As your records report to 19th century I continue to insist that probably the church archives are the best for your query. You have to take into account that although civil registry was regulated in the 19th century in Portugal, only after the republic the state was able to impose its universal character to Catholics.
best wishes, Sandra Sandra Ataíde Lobo [cid:a7ee7d4e-b392-4254-a739-a32fbbc94e5c][cid:6ba9c4b8-ef47-4b94-91bf-33c57ed214da] [cid:76739d2f-0130-48e6-a8d3-7b422f534613] https://giepcip.wordpress.com/ tmn. ++351 930690459 ________________________________ De: 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> Enviado: 5 de abril de 2023 09:52 Para: 'milind kamat' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> Assunto: Re: Responder: [GRN] Query re Goa Archives Thank you all for your wonderful input, much appreciated. I shall approach the archives much as I approach banks in Goa. With a great deal of trepidation, a glass of feni to calm my nerves, and the almost certain knowledge that my work will not be done. If on the rare chance it is done, I quietly kneel in front the nearest cross and thank God for small miracles. LOL. Take care, dear members. Selma On Wednesday, 5 April 2023 at 06:29:58 BST, 'milind kamat' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote: Hello John, Sorry for the delayed reply. Well, I do not have first hand information about fetching documents from the Panaji Archives but based on my experience of the on-line services, one needs to have the following basic data input to search for Teor (Registration of Birth in Portuguese) - First Name, Middle name, Last Name of the either the person OR his/her father OR his/her mother - Teor Registration number (of "Registo de Nascimento" i.e. Birth Register): - Birth date: - Birth year: I think the "physical search" will definitely need input about the place of birth (i.e. village/town) and District Headquarters of the taluka (i.e. Bardez, Bicholim, Pernem, Sattari, Tiswadi) where the birth /death registrar offices were located. I head that some retired employees of the Archives conduct search of records for a fees, as they are well versed with the organization of records in Archives but one needs to get a reliable resource. Best wishes, - Milind On Monday, 3 April, 2023 at 10:22:42 pm IST, John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Milind Any idea how birth and death certificates prior to 1914 could be obtained? And what kind of information would be needed besides the name of the person? Thank you. John Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2023, at 12:19 PM, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you Milind. Unfortunately, I'm looking for 1800 records. I believe these are stored at the archives. Hopefully, I'll make some headway. I wish there was someone in Goa who would offer to undertake this work for a fee. Take care, selma On Monday, 3 April 2023 at 14:59:24 BST, 'Milind Kamat' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Selma, Birth / Teor certificates from 1914 to 1970 are partly digitised and are available for online search / request for certified copies on Goa Online Portal https://goaonline.gov.in<https://goaonline.gov.in/Appln/Uil/DeptServices?__DocId=REG&__ServiceId=PSE27> However, a few dampners / caveats here : - The portal requires registration that works with only an Indian cell phone number for OTP number validation. - Not all birth records are available on this Govt portal, many are missing. - While online requests/ payments can be executed, the certified copies need to be physically collected from respective Govt office. Best wishes, - Milind Kamat On 03-Apr-2023, at 7:01 PM, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Fausto and everyone, thank you for your responses. I am sure as with most things in Goa, patience in key. If I can get hold of the books even after a wait of one hour I will be a happy bunny. More than the dates, I need the occupations which are stated on the parish baptismal certificates. Yes, the records must be digitized. It is a priority and the government must treat it as such. I understand there is indeed a goldmine of records in Goa, and if we had been clever it would have been a major research centre. All best wishes, Selma On Monday, 3 April 2023 at 10:47:09 BST, Jules Fausto Mendonca de Sa <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Selma, I have been going to Goa archives during every visit of mine since 2009. I have never had a major issue in terms of going there and getting what I need. The only issue is the bureaucracy. In the past one could present themselves at the entrance, leave belongings and enter the library. The next step is to go to the person managing the books of the various parishes. These books have remained the hand typed versions from the 1970s. No effort has been made to modernise this using Excel tools. The person then fills out the slip which is duplicated. This then goes to another person who enters it in another register retaining one slip and the other slip goes with the peon who then goes in to collect the book. This is where the whole process becomes tedious as the arrival of the book can take upto 30 minutes or even longer in some cases. There have been instances that they come back thirty minutes later so say that the book has gone for repairs which means you start all over again. Patience is very key. If you are conversant in Konkani then you are at an advantage. Please be mindful that the archives opens at 9.45 a.m and closes at 12.30 p.m. for lunch. It then reopens at 2.15 p.m. and closes at 4.15 p.m. Post Covid it appears that they only allow a certain number of people at the time. I do wish all these records had been digitised. There are organisations in the US willing to undertake this task and even provide equipment to view this at Goa archives but it probably is not in anyone's interest it is done. I hope that this answers some of your queries. Kind regards Fausto Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of alan machado <[email protected]> Sent: 03 April 2023 08:52 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Responder: [GRN] Query re Goa Archives Hi Selma Fausto in London and Michael Fonseca had been there last year. Not a very agreeable experience I understand Good luck Alan On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 1:03 PM sandra lobo <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Sandra Ataíde Lobo <Outlook-s2umfi4c.png> <Outlook-4ucy1ech.png> <Outlook-b2rsijr2.png> https://giepcip.wordpress.com/ tmn. ++351 930690459 Hi Selma, If rules haven't changed it is enough to present yourself there with an identification. Best wishes Sandra ________________________________ De: 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Enviado: 3 de abril de 2023 07:58 Para: Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Assunto: [GRN] Query re Goa Archives Dear members, I shall be in Goa shortly hoping to access the Goa archives for two or three birth/baptismal recordings. I have never been to the Goa archives. There is nothing on their website which indicates what the process might be for a day pass/identification required, document handling and document ordering nor a search engine to do such ordering. I was wondering if anyone has had an experience and would be able to guide me. Many thanks, Selma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. 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