Thanks to Jan for pointing out that JW is consulting on OA for the UK government for free. I apologize for having assumed otherwise!
On the expertise JW brings to bear on OA, that remains to be seen... Stevan Harnad On 2012-05-02, at 10:56 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: > > On 2 May 2012, at 15:31, Stevan Harnad wrote: > >> On 2012-05-02, at 9:28 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: >> >>> On 2 May 2012, at 13:32, Stevan Harnad wrote: >>>> >>>> Andrew is so right (and the current UK government is showing as much good >>>> sense in turning to JW as they showed for many years in turning to RM). >>>> >>>> Wikipedia is based on the antithesis of peer review. Asking JW to help make >>>> sure peer-reviewed research is available to all is like asking McDonalds to >>>> help the WHO/FDA make sure that wholesome food is available to all. >>> >>> Ach, come off it, Stevan. By your reckoning arXiv is also the antithesis of >>> peer review. Would you talk in the same way about Paul Ginsparg? >> >> Arxiv contains preprints of articles before and after peer review. Arxiv >> does not do peer review. Neither do institutional repositories. > > And Wikipedia doesn't either, so why is that the antithesis to peer review? >> >> (Why do you ask about Paul Ginsparg?) >> >>> OA will gain from more involvement of people who understand diplomacy, >>> persuasion, and yes, 'marketing'. >> >> At the moment, Jimmy Wales does not have a clue about what are the real >> problems of getting OA provided by researchers; nor does he have a clear >> understanding of (or any experience with) peer review. > > He knows and understands far more about OA that you presume (on the basis of > what do you presume that, actually?). For a start, he has been 'educated' on > all matters OA by Melissa Hagemann herself. > >> >> This can all be remedied, if someone has JW's ear, and he listens and >> understands. >> >> Then JW can be a helpful (though no doubt expensive > > Expensive? No-doubt? You didn't read the article in The Guardian, did you? > There it says "⦠he was brought in by No 10 as an unpaid adviser to > government on crowdsourcingâ¦". > >> ) conduit to the ears of >> those (David Willetts?) who are in a position to do what needs to get done >> to >> make the RCUK mandates work. >> >> Meanwhile, regarding diplomacy and persuasion, I suggest that you give >> more weight to what Professor Rentier has posted >> about academia's attitude to Wikipedia. We are trying to win researchers >> over to providing OA to their peer-reviewed research -- not to win them >> over to some fantasied Wikipedia-style alternative to peer review. >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2012-May/000372.html >> >> We've been down this path so many times, Jan. Is the appointment of a >> celebrity name now to be the occasion for rehearsing it all yet again? > > I know somebody who is infinitely more repetitive with his views than I am > with my views. > >> >> It's not diplomacy that's needed; it's effectively formulated and >> implemented >> policy. The RCUK already leads the rest of the world in OA, but its OA >> policy >> needs tweaking to make it effective. >> >> Stevan Harnad >> _______________________________________________ >> GOAL mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
