On 16 May 2012, at 13:42, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Jan Velterop <[email protected]>
wrote:
What I don't understand, Steve, is your apparent
hostility to OA articles in hybrid journals. Whence this
hostility? Why 'gold-only' journals? Why not 'gold-only'
publishers? As long as the OA articles in question are
CC-BY, then what's the problem?
There are several practical problems with hybrid OA. These are all down to
the publisher and could be rectified if they wished.Â
Indeed. It's clear that there are practical problems. But they are not
necessarily related to 'hybrid' and as you say, the publishers could rectify
those.
o labelling. It is extremely difficult to determine whether
something is hybrid OA. Many publishers don't label the OA
articles differently from the toll-access. Those that do call
them tings like "Free Access", "Author Choice", which are
operationally useless. Sometimes it's stamped on the table of
contents and not the paper, sometimes the otehr way round, etc.
Not a consequence of the hybrid model, just of sloppy publishers.Â
o
o licences. Many hybrid articles have no licences. Almost all that
do have specifically added CC-NC. This is not BOAI-compliant
Indeed. This is also true of some so-called 'OA-only' journals.
o The readers' rights are often impossible to determine, even by
very intelligent and perceptive humans.
Indeed. This is also true of some so-called 'OA-only' journals.
My point is, gold OA is only gold OA if clearly covered by a CC-BY licence. Also
in hybrid journals.
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Discoverability? Well, CC-BY articles, including those published in
hybrid journals, can be deposited in institutional archives without
the slightest hesitation (remember, gold *includes* green), if that
helps. In fact, if the reasoning is that all of an institute's
output should be in that institute's repository, all gold articles
should be deposited in any event (and the advantage is even that any
FUD has no bearing on gold CC-BY articles).
* Firstly, not all authors HAVE institutions. Pharma companies?
Charities? etc.
Fair enough. More of a problem for 'green', I would have thought, than for gold
OA, even if the latter is in hybrid journals.
o Even if it's in an IR it's almost undiscoverable unless you are
looking for a specific article by someone-you-know-worked/works
there.
Unfortunately true across the board. No specific hybrid problem.
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So if I have an article by Foo (@bar) and Plugh (@XYYZY) how do I know
where to look (@foo) or @XYZZY and what are my chances of success?
Can anyone answer questions like:
* find me all hybrid deposited articles in Repo XYZZY - not a chance
* find me all hybrid articles in UK/PMC - not a chance
* find me all chemistry hybrid articles
But the questions should be:
* Find me all CC-BY articles in Repo XYZZY
* Find me all CC-BY articles in UK-PMC (or in PMC)
* Find me all chemistry CC-BY articles.
Btw, in Google and Google Scholar (advanced searching) you can search with
'search term' in the search box, 'Creative Commons Attribution' in the 'exact
phrase' box, and 'non-commercial' in the exclude box. Advanced searching in
Google (though not in Google Scholar, strangely) allows you to limit the search
to, say, the UK-PMC site, and then you have what you want. If you leave the
primary search box empty, you have every CC-BY article in UK-PMC (but how
believable the number â 498,000 â of results is I don't know).
Until we build 21st C search and index engines then all
repository-based OA is rooted in the 20th Century
Again, not a hybrid problem, but a 'green' problem.Â
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In the Bethesda Statement on Open Access
(http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/bethesda.htm#definition) a note
was included saying that "Open access is a property of individual
works, not necessarily journals or publishers." That seems to me an
entirely logical and reasonable stipulation.
I agree completely. And it is appallingly supported by both publishers and
Institutional Repositories (many of which do not label anything or
blanket-stamp everything as non-resuable (like Cambridge).
Unfortunately it is. But that's not a problem specifically of the hybrid
model.Â
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P.
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Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
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