Each further day of thinking makes me feel closer and closer to this view. As 
an author, I just like when colleagues are happy with one of my texts online. 
As a reviewer I am fed up with unreadable junk.
Let us burn together, Jan.
Laurent



Le 10 déc. 2013 à 15:36, Jan Velterop <[email protected]> a écrit :

> Sally,
> 
> May I join you in the ranks of those who risk being pilloried or branded 
> heretics? I think the solution is clear. We should get rid of pre-publication 
> peer review (PPPR) and publish results in open repositories. PPPR is the one 
> thing that keeps the whole publishing system standing, and expensive – in 
> monetary terms, but also in terms of effort expended. It may have some 
> benefits, but we pay very dearly for those. Where are the non-peer-reviewed 
> articles that have caused damage? They may have to public understanding, of 
> course (there's a lot of rubbish on the internet), but to scientific 
> understanding? On the other hand, I can point to peer-reviewed articles that 
> clearly have done damage, particularly to public understanding. Take the 
> Wakefield MMR paper. Had it just been published without peer-review, the 
> damage would likely have been no greater than that of any other drivel on the 
> internet. Its peer-reviewed status, however, gave it far more credibility 
> than it deserved. There are more examples.
> 
> My assertion: pre-publication peer review is dangerous since it is too easily 
> used as an excuse to absolve scientists – and science journalists – from 
> applying sufficient professional skepticism and critical appraisal.
> 
> Doing away with PPPR will do little damage – if any at all – to science, but 
> removes most barriers to open access and saves the scientific community a 
> hell of a lot of money.
> 
> The 'heavy lifting is that of cultural change' (crediting William Gunn for 
> that phrase), so I won't hold my breath.
> 
> Jan Velterop
> 
> On 10 Dec 2013, at 13:36, Sally Morris <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
>> At the risk (nay, certainty) of being pilloried by OA conformists, let me 
>> say that – whatever ithe failings of his article – I thank Jeffrey Beall for 
>> raising some fundamental questions which are rarely, if ever, addressed.
>>  
>> I would put them under two general headings:
>>  
>> 1)         What is the objective of OA?
>>  
>> I originally understood the objective to be to make scholarly research 
>> articles, in some form, accessible to all those who needed to read them.   
>> Subsequent refinements such as 'immediately', 'published version' and 'free 
>> to reuse' may have acquired quasi-religious status, but are surely secondary 
>> to this main objective.
>>  
>> However, two other, financial, objectives (linked to each other, but not to 
>> the above) have gained increasing prominence.  The first is the alleged cost 
>> saving (or at least cost shifting).  The second - more malicious, and 
>> originally (but no longer) denied by OA's main proponents - is the 
>> undermining of publishers' businesses.  If this were to work, we may be sure 
>> the effects would not be choosy about 'nice' or 'nasty' publishers.
>>  
>> 2)         Why hasn't OA been widely adopted by now?
>>  
>> If – as we have been repetitively assured over many years – OA is 
>> self-evidently the right thing for scholars to do, why have so few of them 
>> done so voluntarily?  As Jeffrey Beall points out, it seems very curious 
>> that scholars have to be forced, by mandates, to adopt a model which is 
>> supposedly preferable to the existing one.
>>  
>> Could it be that the monotonous rantings of the few and the tiresome debates 
>> about the fine detail are actually confusing scholars, and may even be 
>> putting them off?  Just asking  ;-)
>>  
>> I don't disagree that the subscription model is not going to be able to 
>> address the problems we face in making the growing volume of research 
>> available to those who need it;  but I'm not convinced that OA (whether 
>> Green, Gold or any combination) will either.  I think the solution, if there 
>> is one, still eludes us.
>>  
>> Merry Christmas!
>>  
>> Sally
>>  
>> Sally Morris
>> South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK  BN13 3UU
>> Tel:  +44 (0)1903 871286
>> Email:  [email protected]
>>  
>> 
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
>> Of David Prosser
>> Sent: 09 December 2013 22:10
>> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
>> Subject: [GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility 
>> ofBeall's List
>> 
>> 'Lackeys'? This is going beyond parody.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Dec 2013, at 21:45, Beall, Jeffrey wrote:
>> 
>>> Wouter,
>>> Hello, yes, I wrote the article, I stand by it, and I take responsibility 
>>> for it.
>>> I would ask Prof. Harnad to clarify one thing in his email below, namely 
>>> this statement, "OA is all an anti-capitlist plot."
>>> This statement's appearance in quotation marks makes it look like I wrote 
>>> it in the article. The fact is that this statement does not appear in the 
>>> article, and I have never written such a statement.
>>> Prof. Harnad and his lackeys are responding just as my article predicts.
>>> Jeffrey Beall
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
>>> Of Gerritsma, Wouter
>>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 2:14 PM
>>> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
>>> Subject: [GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility of 
>>> Beall's List
>>> Dear all.
>>> Has this article really been written by Jeffrey Beall?
>>> He has been victim of a smear campaign before!
>>> I don’t see he has claimed this article on his blog http://scholarlyoa.com/ 
>>> or his tweet stream @Jeffrey_Beall (which actually functions as his RSS 
>>> feed).
>>> I really like to hear from the man himself on his own turf.
>>> Wouter
>>>      
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
>>> Of Stevan Harnad
>>> Sent: maandag 9 december 2013 16:04
>>> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
>>> Subject: [GOAL] Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility of Beall's 
>>> List
>>> Beall, Jeffrey (2013) The Open-Access Movement is Not Really about Open 
>>> Access. TripleC Communication, Capitalism & Critique Journal. 11(2): 
>>> 589-597 http://triplec.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/525/514
>>> This wacky article is going to be fun to review. I still think Jeff Beall 
>>> is doing something useful with his naming and shaming of junk OA journals, 
>>> but I now realize that he is driven by some sort of fanciful conspiracy 
>>> theory! "OA is all an anti-capitlist plot." (Even on a quick skim it is 
>>> evident that Jeff's article is rife with half-truths, errors and downright 
>>> nonsense. Pity. It will diminish the credibility of his valid exposés, but 
>>> maybe this is a good thing, if the judgment and motivation behind Beall's 
>>> list is as kooky as this article! But alas it will now also give the 
>>> genuine "predatory" junk-journals some specious arguments for discrediting 
>>> Jeff's work altogether. Of course it will also give the publishing lobby 
>>> some good sound-bites, but they use them at their peril, because of all the 
>>> other nonsense in which they are nested!) 
>>> Before I do a critique later today), I want to post some tidbits to set the 
>>> stage:
>>> JB: "ABSTRACT: While the open-access (OA) movement purports to be about 
>>> making scholarly content open-access, its true motives are much different. 
>>> The OA movement is an anti-corporatist movement that wants to deny the 
>>> freedom of the press to companies it disagrees with. The movement is also 
>>> actively imposing onerous mandates on researchers, mandates that restrict 
>>> individual freedom. To boost the open-access movement, its leaders 
>>> sacrifice the academic futures of young scholars and those from developing 
>>> countries, pressuring them to publish in lower-quality open-access 
>>> journals.  The open-access movement has fostered the creation of numerous 
>>> predatory publishers and standalone journals, increasing the amount of 
>>> research misconduct in scholarly publications and the amount of 
>>> pseudo-science that is published as if it were authentic science."
>>> JB: "[F]rom their high-salaried comfortable positions…OA advocates... 
>>> demand that for-profit, scholarly journal publishers not be involved in 
>>> scholarly publishing and devise ways (such as green open-access) to defeat 
>>> and eliminate them...
>>> JB: "OA advocates use specious arguments to lobby for mandates, focusing 
>>> only on the supposed economic benefits of open access and ignoring the 
>>> value additions provided by professional publishers. The arguments imply 
>>> that publishers are not really needed; all researchers need to do is upload 
>>> their work, an action that constitutes publishing, and that this act 
>>> results in a product that is somehow similar to the products that 
>>> professional publishers produce….  
>>> JB:  "The open-access movement isn't really about open access. Instead, it 
>>> is about collectivizing production and denying the freedom of the press 
>>> from those who prefer the subscription model of scholarly publishing. It is 
>>> an anti-corporatist, oppressive and negative movement, one that uses young 
>>> researchers and researchers from developing countries as pawns to 
>>> artificially force the make-believe gold and green open-access models to 
>>> work. The movement relies on unnatural mandates that take free choice away 
>>> from individual researchers, mandates set and enforced by an onerous cadre 
>>> of Soros-funded European autocrats...
>>> JB: "The open-access movement is a failed social movement and a false 
>>> messiah, but its promoters refuse to admit this. The emergence of numerous 
>>> predatory publishers – a product of the open-access movement – has poisoned 
>>> scholarly communication, fostering research misconduct and the publishing 
>>> of pseudo-science, but OA advocates refuse to recognize the growing 
>>> problem. By instituting a policy of exchanging funds between researchers 
>>> and publishers, the movement has fostered corruption on a grand scale. 
>>> Instead of arguing for openaccess, we must determine and settle on the best 
>>> model for the distribution of scholarly research, and it's clear that 
>>> neither green nor gold open-access is that model...
>>> And then, my own personal favourites:
>>> JB: "Open access advocates think they know better than everyone else and 
>>> want to impose their policies on others. Thus, the open access movement has 
>>> the serious side-effect of taking away other's freedom from them. We 
>>> observe this tendency in institutional mandates.  Harnad (2013) goes so far 
>>> as to propose [an]…Orwellian system of mandates… documented [in a] table of 
>>> mandate strength, with the most restrictive pegged at level 12, with the 
>>> designation "immediate deposit + performance evaluation (no waiver 
>>> option)". This Orwellian system of mandates is documented in Table 1...  
>>> JB: "A social movement that needs mandates to work is doomed to fail. A 
>>> social movement that uses mandates is abusive and tantamount to academic 
>>> slavery. Researchers need more freedom in their decisions not less. How can 
>>> we expect and demand academic freedom from our universities when we impose 
>>> oppressive mandates upon ourselves?..."
>>> Stay tuned!…
>>> Stevan Harnad
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