> Who introduced "hybrid journals"? I'm not 100% sure, but that may have been me! It seemed like a good idea at the time...
David On 16 Dec 2013, at 20:28, Jean-Claude Guédon wrote: > Le lundi 16 décembre 2013 à 14:34 +0000, Graham Triggs a écrit : >> >> On 14 December 2013 20:53, Jean-Claude Guédon >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Which terms have been introduced by the publishing industry? The majority of >> the terms that I see regularly were introduced - or at least claimed to have >> been - by scholars. > > Who introduced "hybrid journals"? "who introduced "delayed open access" - an > oxymoron if there ever was one? What about Elsevier's "universal access"? > etc. etc. >> >> >> >> The publishing industry has been fairly quick to make use of the variety of >> terms though - some in attempting to best engage with and understand the >> needs and desires of the academic community; others to preserve their >> business models for as long as possible. > > Fairly quick indeed! <face-smile.png> >> >> >> > [snip (because irrelevant] >> >> >> Profits alone are not a good measure of whether the public purse is being >> pillaged or not. They are just the difference between revenue and costs. At >> which point: >> >> >> 1) Publisher revenue does not just come from the public purse - sales to >> privately funded institutions, personal subscriptions, reprints, >> advertising... >> >> >> 2) For everything that they do (which may or may not be appropriate), the >> publishing industry is very, very good at reducing costs. >> >> >> Ultimately, the public purse is not necessarily disadvantaged by engaging >> with for-profit industries; although it could benefit from ensuring there >> are competitive markets. You can argue that the publishing industry could >> stand to reduce it's profits by charging less - but there is no guarantee >> that an alternative would take less money overall from the public purse. > > Profits alone begin to indicate where the problem lies, just by comparison > between publishers. Enough money comes from the public purse in many > countries (Canada, for example, or most European countries) to justify my > anger. As for point 2, it is quite laughable. Why does not Elsevier reduce > its profit rate then? The answer is that each journal is a small monopoly in > itself. And in monopoly situations, what is the incentive to reduce pricing? >> >> >> >> From free and low cost access programmes, through APC waivers, and >> charitable partnerships, the publishing industry does a lot more for >> developing nations than the picture you are painting. > > Having looked fairly closely at programmes like HINARI, I beg to differ. The > publishing industry is very creative when it comes to growing fig leaves. >> >> >> >> Is it perfect? No. Could more be done? Probably. Can the industry do it >> alone? No. > > It would be a lot cheaper if the industry got out of the way. >> >> >> >> If you want to see the situation improve, then it's going to take funders >> and researchers to work with the publishing industry. > > I would rather see funders support publicly supported efforts such as Scielo > or Redalyc in Latin America. The publishing industry does not need yet > another subsidy to begin expanding its potential markets. >> >> >> >> Or you could try and ignore the industry entirely. But simply depositing >> research in institutional repositories does not necessarily solve developing >> nation's access problems, and does not necessarily solve their publishing >> problems. >> > Your last point is correct, at least until now. Laws such as the one recently > passed in Argentina may help further. But you are right: in developing > nations, the best way is to avoid the industry entirely and develop > evaluation methods that are a little more sophisticated than the impact > factor misapplied to individuals. > > Jean-Claude Guédon > >> _______________________________________________ >> GOAL mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > -- > Jean-Claude Guédon > Professeur titulaire > Littérature comparée > Université de Montréal > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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