Straw man of no relevance
From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 2016 03:59 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Quo vadere? Dana, the question is not about whether pay-per-view or interlibrary loan should be available (they are, and should be). The question is whether all subscriptions canbe cancelled in favor of a complete reliance of PPV/ILL + Gold OA fees. I think the answer to is probably a resounding "no," but the option has never been tested -- not by U Tasmania and not by CalTech! Stevan On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Roth, Dana L. <dzr...@caltech.edu> wrote: I fully agree with Arthur Sale. We initiated a 'photocopy request' service over 40 years ago, and quickly found that researchers primarily wanted to 'take care' of the request and were, over the years, quite willing to accommodate a one to two delay in actually receiving the photocopy. Dana L. Roth dzr...@caltech.edu Special Projects Librarian Caltech 1-32 1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125 626-395-6423 _____ From: goal-boun...@eprints.org <goal-boun...@eprints.org> on behalf of Arthur Sale <a...@ozemail.com.au> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 2:19 PM To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)' Subject: [GOAL] Re: Quo vadere? I don’t have access to the raw data now apart from knowing that we fulfill 13,000+ requests a year, but the University of Tasmania has operated a free unlimited-quantity service for 15 years, funded pay-per-view centrally (ie in replacement for subscriptions). It is very much used, and regarded as a keystone of library research support. It simply is not true that academics are devoted to instant access, and they are prepared to wait a day or two to read the papers they think are relevant. Of course they use alert services, metadata, etc in making the judgment, but if they think a paper is worth reading in full (it may not be after they have read it but nobody cares) they have no hesitation in using the university’s service. The economics do stack up, and I am proud to have introduced it in about 1998. See http://www.utas.edu.au/library/research/document-delivery and http://www.utas.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/65611/Document-Delivery-Service-online-guide-v10.7.12.pdf. <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/research/document-delivery> <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/research/document-delivery> Document Delivery - Library - University of Tasmania ... www.utas.edu.au Document Delivery You are here. UTAS Home ; Library ; Researchers ; Document Delivery; Over 13,000 requests are submitted via our Document Delivery service per year. For context, the University is in the top ten Australian universities for research, and in student size modest (27,000 students, 18% of whom are from outside Australia). If someone wants to mine the data, contact the University Librarian. Arthur Sale University of Tasmania, Australia From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 02:24 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Quo vadere? On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Christian Gutknecht <christian.gutkne...@bluewin.ch> wrote: Stevan, [ahjs] … But I really like the idea to let researchers feel that subscription is an outdated model. And an easy way to do that without upsetting them too much, is to cancel subscriptions and get rid of the Big Deals. With the free money the library then can create two kind of funds: One is the Gold OA fund (incl. hybrid options but with a cap) and one is the fund for costs resulting getting access to documents that are not longer available via subscription (like costs for pay-per-view, document delivery, individual subscription of a really important journal).. Because librarians constantly overestimate the importance of their subscriptions and especially the Big Deals where they buy/rent a lot of stuff that is never used by their community. I think most libraries would find out that researchers would get along quite well with this option Christian, I strongly suggest that you look into the actual costs of such a proposal (replacing subscriptions by pay-to-view costs, per paper). We are in the online era, when scholars are accustomed to reaching content immediately with one click, and browsing it to see whether it's even worth reading. A scholar may look at dozens of papers a day this way. That's what they do with their institutional licensed content. You are imagining (without any data at all) that the cost of doing this via pay-per-view, at the usual $30 or so per paper, would amount to less cost for an institution than its current licensing costs. Please repeat this proposal once you have done the arithmetic and have the evidence. (It won't be enough to find out the license costs and the pay-per-view costs. You will also have to monitor the daily usage, per discipline, of a sufficient representative sample of researchers. Until then, subscription cancellation is not an option for institutions today. (But with universal immediate-deposit <http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-unsustainable-harnad/> it will be.) As Thomas mentioned it’s really easy these days to get to the papers by simply asking the author. Also Researchgate and academia.edu close the gap where IRs fail to provide access. The ease and immediacy of online access to which institutional authors are now accustomed is for licensed (+ OA) content. Find the actual user data for unlicensed, non-OA content. And prepare to discover that copy-requests -- for which you have expressed pessimism when they are Button-based -- may turn out to be much less immediate or reliable if they must be mediated by email address search and waiting to see whether the author responds then when they are requested. With immediate deposit and the Button, the request is just one click for the user and one for the author... [ahjs] … _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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