goanet-digest Wednesday, May 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3915
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Re: [Goanet] Does anybody care about this ?
Re: [Goanet] Arundhati Roy - Part I, II, III
Re: [Goanet] Mental health -- a Goan myth
[Goanet] Kanchi seer holds talks with Muslim leaders
[Goanet] [goanews] 28 Apr: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:49:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tariq Siddiqui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Does anybody care about this ?
Obviously not, according to your logic, because nobody posted this message
and nobody responded to it, nobody cares about it. All the 1000 or so members
of Goanet are a group of heartless rascals who gleefully take delight in
the sufferings of others.
Great line of thought. Let me know when your brain comes back from the
extended vacation it has been on.
- -Tariq
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Sunila Muzawar wrote:
> Does anybody care about this ? Or are we going to say that these children
> are coming from the majority or minority or this religion or that religion
> or this caste or that caste, or whatever and ignore it since it does not
> affect us ?
>
> www.sify.com
> Innocence assaulted: The trauma of child workers
> Bangalore, May 1
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Tariq Siddiqui
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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 15:21:25 +0000
From: "Paulo Colaco Dias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Arundhati Roy - Part I, II, III
>From: Tariq Siddiqui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Sunila Muzawar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I think it is about time you woke up to the reality that people do not
>have a habit of talking about twenty thousand atrocities at the same time,
>even if it is solely for the purpose of "context". If today, I choose to
>condemn the government of Gujarat for its crimes, that does not mean I
>condone all that is going on in China. It is quite dissappointing to note
>that despite being a student of Sharada Mandir, your thought process
>continues to be incoherent.
>
>-Tariq
>
It is not the first time I noticed incoherent thoughts from GoaNet's regular
contributors (often from the same contributors), so I have to agree with
Tariq.
While it is very nice to discuss any subject, contributors should, as much
as possible, express their opinions and not impose them.
If the ideas are based in facts, it will be easier to accept them.
If they are not, then they are nothing but personal opinions. Please lets
try and respect them but not impose them on others.
Best,
Paulo.
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:55:23 +0100
From: "Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mental health -- a Goan myth
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From: "M Mascarenhas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> A few days later, while I was fighting off all the line cutters at the
Civil
> Registrar in the queue for applying for birth certificates (which is,
> thankfully, shorter than the queue for reconnecting your telephone), I met
a
> mechanic friend of mine who told me he was migrating to Portugal. He was
> very excited about his plans. I asked him how long it had taken for him to
> process his papers for a Portuguese passport. A few months, he said, and I
> was so distracted by his reply, that one of the cutters managed to slip in
> ahead of me. The mechanic confided that the entire process had been
> expedited because he paid an agent in Lisbon 500 USD to follow up on that
> end. That's interesting, I thought, because one of my friends paid a
lawyer
> around that amount almost four years ago to do the same thing, and she
still
> hasn't managed to get her documentation in order. She told me her lawyer
is
> a former High Court judge from Margao, now residing in Lisbon. Now, why a
> High Court judge would leave his job in Goa to fiddle around with passport
> papers in Portugal (especially when he clearly isn't very good at it), is
> beyond me. If you ask me, that surely qualifies for contempt more than
> Arundhatti Roy's dabblings in polemics. Personally, I wish Roy would give
up
> this Noam Chomsky impersonation and stick to fiction which is her forte,
but
> that's another story.
It is interesting what M. Mascarenhas writes about her mechanic friend and
the
expediting of matters for "process his papers for a Portuguese Passport" at
this
end.
There are are lots of Goans, either former Judges from post 61 Goa or
laywyers/solicitors, or even lay people, who help the Goans to get their
births and marriages registered at the "Conservatoria dos Registos Centrais"
in Lisbon. Only after the birth is registered and with the presentation of
a birth certificate issued by the said Conservatoria can an ID be obtained
and only then the passport.
The time it takes for a file ("processo") to be finalized can take ages or
can
take just a year or a few months. It is not fair to give an idea that there
is some "underhand" business going on. I have helped , mind the word,
helped many Goans and taken care of the filing of their papers at the
"Conservatoria". Some have moved quickly and the others haven't and there
are
valid reasons for that. There are many discrepancies, either in the names of
the person, in the parents' names or places of birth or in the Resident
Certificates submitted and when the interested parties are requested to get
the divergency certificates issued or obtain the relevant document
corrected it just takes them ages.
I have an example where somebody (born in Goa prior to 1961) who submitted
his papers at the Portuguese Consulate in Goa in June 1999 and when I
happened to be in Goa asked me to do the follow up in Lisbon - which I did,
had his file "appreciated" only in the year 2000 because the number
attributed to the file is ------/00 and had his birth registered in October
2001 . I
did not charge him anything, and I did not pay anyone anything to make his
file "move". I don't have any important people within the "Conservatoria",
and even if I did I would be the last one to use my influence.
When I feel that there is incompetence from the part of the Government
officers, I write to the Ministers, as I have on several occasions. I have
complained to the Minister for Law when things did not move at the
"Conservatoria". I have complained to the Consular Services of the Foreign
Misnistry of Portugal about the "affairs" at the Portuguese Consulate in Goa
and I can tell you I have had very satisfactory replies and solution of the
cases presented. And I have paid nothing and charged nothing.
I have advised the people, who have come to me asking me to take up their
cases, to send direct e-mails to the corresponding Ministries and I give
below the addresses:
MNE (Ministerio dos Negocios EStrangeiros [Foreign Affairs Ministry]) - AC e
CP - Direccao Geral de Accao Consular e Comunidades Portuguesas
E-mail Address(es):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gabinete do Ministro da Justi�a (Law Ministry)
E-mail Address(es):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Conservatoria dos Registos Centrais
E-mail Address(es):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone can write to them in English and you will definitely get a reply, but
in Portuguese.
I mentioned of a case that moved fast even to my surprise and this was due
to the fact that documents came via the consulate, duly certified in every
sense.
Now I have a case of 1990. In this case a lady. Her papers and her husband's
papers were submitted by me in Nov. 1990. The husband's filed moved fast and
he
had the birth registration completed in July 91, marriage registered October
91 and even the son got his birth registerd by July 94. But the lady is
still to get hers. And do you know why?
Incomplete names here and incomplete names there. And this is what I wrote
to her lately:
".........
it has been so "typical" of every Goan, save rare exceptions, including my
family. Everytime that the ball is in their court they just keep hugging it
and sleep with it, until one day they just wake up and find the ball under
their bedsheet and then they shoot it with all their might to the other end
and they expect the adversary to shoot it back even before the ball has had
time to reach the other court!!!!! Amazing, is it not?"
I cannot accept that there is place for bribery at the top level at the
"Conservatoria".
So if M Mascarenhas could kindly get more information from her mechanic
friend, only about the dates of submission of documents and where submitted,
I think the netters would be greatly pleased. There is no access to the
files
to any and everyone and everytime a Goa related file is accessed the act is
duly
registered. So any "investigation" on why it moved fast can easily be
initiated as long as there are proofs that it did .
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:02:10 +0400
From: "Sunila Muzawar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Kanchi seer holds talks with Muslim leaders
Now this is the kind of news that makes sense. Why can't people talk and=20
agree or agree to disagree instead of mindless violence ?
The only problem is it looks like most of these Muslim leaders do agree w=
ith=20
the Kanchi seer. However, they don't trust the VHP. Now does that surpris=
e=20
you ? ;-)
Cheers,
Sunila
Rediff.com
Kanchi seer holds talks with Muslim leaders
Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati held informal talks with local=20
Muslim leaders in Ayodhya on Friday night.
He said on Saturday that there was a frank exchange of views and he recei=
ved=20
"encouraging response" from the Muslim leaders for creating a conducive=20
atmosphere for solving the Ram temple-Babri mosque issue.
He said it was necessary to continue the dialogue between the two=20
communities to lay the foundation for mutual agreement on the issue.
However, the Shankaracharya said he did not plan to talk to Vishwa Hindu=20
Parishad leaders during his present visit to Ayodhya.
On the communal violence in Gujarat, he said people should forget and=20
forgive the past for lasting peace and communal harmony.
Some local saints and mahants, including Mahant Nritya Gopal Das, Mahant=20
Siyakishori Sharan and Jagatguru Purushottamacharya met the Shankarachary=
a=20
on Friday.
The Shankaracharya later left for New Delhi.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:10:10 +0530
From: "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] [goanews] 28 Apr: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
28 APRIL 2002
CONGRESS TO MOVE EC: Former leader of Opposition, Luizinho Faleiro, said the
Congress Party would complain to the Election Commission about the flagrant
violation of the model code of conduct by the Parrikar government through
mass appointments and misuse of machinery. (WE-GT)
FALEIRO SEES ULTERIOR MOTIVE: Addressing a press conference in Panjim
yesterday, Congress Leader Luizinho Faleiro claimed that a recent circular
issued by the State's Education Department, fixing a ceiling of 40 students
per class, had put several reputed institutions, mostly minority run, in deep
trouble, as also parents. This, he said, is obviously aimed at diverting
students from the better run schools to those privatised government schools,
which had failed to cut any ice with the Goan students. (H)
CONGRESS SEEKS REMOVAL OF POLICE OFFICERS: The Congress will write to the
Election Commission seeking removal of some police officials, who are
allegedly conspiring with the BJP government to manipulate the outcome of the
elections to the State assembly. (NT)
TALKS FOR THIRD FRONT CONTINUE: The discussions of seat sharing amongst the
UGDP, CPI, CPI(M) and the MGP are still in progress and the chances of
formation of the third front to challenge both the Congress and the BJP are
bright, remarked GPI generally secretary, Mr Christopher Fonseca. (NT)
UGDP REJECTS CONGRESS OFFER: The United Goans Democratic Party on Saturday
rejected the offer made by the Congress Party for seat sharing and reiterated
that the party would go ahead on its own in the ensuing polls. He said, "The
people of Goa are disgusted with 17 years of Congress rule and 17 months of
BJP rule". (H)
KONKANI MUST BE 'UNAVOIDABLE' SUBJECT: "We cannot stop anyone from taking
Marathi or any other language but we want Konkani to be an 'unavoidable'
subject up to std tenth. It will be profitable to Goa, to the people and even
to the government. Let there be an open debate on this," said Dr Tanaji
Halarnakar, the president of the All India Konkani Parishad, in an interview
with Damodar Ghanekar of NT.
FREEDOM FIGHTERS TO EDUCATE ELECTORATE: Chandrakant Keni, while delivering a
talk on "Expectation from the Freedom Fighters", said that they can make
themselves heard and influence happenings on the socio-political field in
Goa. He lamented that politicians had been using religion and caste for
selfish interests and seemingly want to turn Goa into another Gujarat. (WE-GT)
BUS SHED SET ABLAZE: The bus shed at Dhavkhond-Dharbandora near Codli Tisk,
which was gutted in a recent fire, has caused hardship to the passengers.
Village sources informed Herald that some miscreants set fire to the bus
shed, which was covered with coconut leaves (thatched) by the villagers. (H)
NEW LOOK FOR COMUNIDADE BLDG: The Administrator of South Goa Comunidades,
Shefali M Majrekar, who took over just a month back, has not only taken steps
to streamline the working in the office but also is working to improve the
maintenance of the building which houses the office of the Administrator of
Comunidades (in Margao). (WE-GT)
SHIVDAS PLANS TO CONTEST: Well-known writer and social activist N Shivdas,
has planned to contest the forthcoming assembly polls to take the temple
issue as an election issue. He alleged that the Hindu Bahujan Samaj has been
socially discriminated, kept outside the 'garbhakud' and not allowed to
perform religious rites such 'abhixeka' on caste line in the temples. He has
been agitating over the issue for the last 22 years. (H)
MARTYR'S BODY ARRIVES: The body of Mahesh Binnar, an army jawan from New
Vaddem-Vasco, who became a martyr while fighting against terrorists at Jammu
and Kashmir, was brought to Goa yesterday. Binnar (23), succumbed to gun shot
wounds after he and other army men were attacked by militants at Jammu on 25
April. (WE-GT)
SEMINAR ON GOA IN NEW DELHI: Delhi-based Goenkarancho Ekvott is organising a
seminar on "Goa Today-Tomorrow" on 4 May at the Institute of Town Planners,
India, New Delhi. (WE-GT)
NIGHT VIGIL AT MANDUR: The parishioners of Our Lady of Amparo Church, Mandur,
will organise and All Goa Nigh Vigil at the Mandur Church ground on 30 April
at 8 pm. (WE-GT)
BAIL PLEA REJECTED: South Goa Session and District Court yesterday rejected
the bail application of a murder accused, Francisca Fernandes of Adaovaddo,
Majorda. She was arrested along with her husband Martin on 7 April for
allegedly murdering tile cleaner Anand at a construction site. (WE-GT)
FR FREDDY'S SARCEDOTAL SILVER JUBILEE: A thanksgiving mass will be held at
Our Lady of Rosary Church, Siridao, to mark the Silver Jubilee of Fr Freddy J
da Costa's priestly ordination on May 1 at 4.30 pm. The editor of Konkani
monthly magazine "Gulab", Fr da Costa, will later be felicitated by his
parishioners. (WE-GT)
S P O R T S
PAX, BHARATRI DRAW: Pax of Nagoa and Bharatri Sangha were involved in a 0-0
draw in the Second Division National Football League in Pondicherry.
D E A T H S
27 Apr: Quepem: NELSON MARTINS, son of Michael/Reny, brother of
John/Jollyn, Blaise/Melane, Shanti/Nester, Reeda/Zephery.
26 Apr: Benaulim: REGINALD MARTINS, son of Annie/late Botlu, brother of
Moses, Simon and Veronica.
26 Apr: Rivona: LAWRENCE LOPES, husband of Rita Teresa, father of
Veron/Maria, Ira/Santan and Godrefy/Wilam.
26 Apr: St Jose de Areal: INACIO FERNANDES, husband of Filomena, father of
Antonetta Sunita, Dickson, Fr Daniel (sfx), Michael.
G O A W E A T H E R
Min Temp : 28.2 deg C
Max Temp: 33.9 deg C; Relative Humidity: 69% (yesterday-Panjim)
Courtesy: H=Herald, NT=The Navhind Times, GT=Gomantak Times
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