goanet-digest Tuesday, May 21 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3998
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In this issue:
[Goanet] TWO MINUTE REVIEW: Goa Sings
[Goanet] NEWS: Former top cop held for forging documents (New Delhi)
[Goanet] NEWS: New drug law helps police seize properties worth millions
RE: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:59:27 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] TWO MINUTE REVIEW: Goa Sings
GETTING INTO THE GROOVE... UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'RE SINGING ABOUT
Like me, you could be one of those Goans whose family histories made them
a third-generation emmigrant. If so, almost certainly, there would be a
lot of gaps in your attempts to understand Goan tradition. Blame this, if
you like, on the lack of a grandmum around to immerse you into that.
Probably it's a good thing!
Anyway, don't feel too sorry for yourself, Goa is one state where
one-third of the population (a very rough guestimate) comprises expats who
have returned after spending some part of their lives in some distant part
of the globe. Even if it was just for two years of babyhood, as in this
writer's case.
If you add to this the number of in-migrants, the number swells even more.
Obviously, this is a large market of people who need to understand
something about their home-state. Specially it's traditions, its
music... Given the new role being played by ICTs (information and
communication technologies), we have the means to reach out to a wider
audience.
Mumbai-based Fausto V da Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who happens to be
the brother of 'Gulab' publisher-editor-priest Freddy da Costa, puts
together this interesting CD of 'remix' mandos, dulpods, dekhnnis, kunnbi
songs and folk songs. Fifteen numbers ranging from 'Mando Goencho' ("Ho
mando Goencho khoro, Nachonk kitlo boro / Hubra haddta haro, Vazlearunch
puro") to 'Undir Mama' ("Undra mhojea mama, ani hanv santam tuka / Tea
mazorichea pilea lagim khell manddinaka") and much more.
These are the types of songs that are sung at the traditional (some might
say culturally very slow-evolving!) Goan parties. Whichever part of the
globe you might be at.
The good thing about 'Goa Sings' is that it includes a slim booklet giving
the lyrics of all the songs. It also includes a very wide range of
traditional Goan songs, and would ensure you don't feel quite left out
when the sing-along starts at that next party. The not-so-good thing is
that the CD version is priced at Rs 300, when other Indian CDs are selling
for less. But then, one has to grant that Konkani's small-sized market
does not easily allow for the economies of scale.
Undeniably, Fausto and his group have been long and determinedly trying to
keep the cultural flag of Goa flying atop the Fort locality's crowded
lanes in Mumbai, where he's basied.
It would be great if the lyrics booklet -- for the benefit of all of us,
sometimes contemptuously referred to as that set of de-nationalised Goans
- -- had English translations. Given the reality of the many variants of the
Konkani language (something not many want to face up to), this becomes all
the more relevant. Of course, the Bardexi dialect is sometimes used in
song, as it is frequently in the tiatr and some other cultural forms. But
suddenly, the song breaks into Xashti... which could be yet another
foreign language, especially when it comes to tracing the nuances of
lyrics a century or more old.
Maybe we have only ourselves, our history, emigration (and the lack of
sufficient easy-to-learn Konkani courses) to blame!
For those who might be interested, this CD includes * Mando Geoncho * Kai
Borelo Komblo * Amnni Gumnni * Kolvontam Nachtai * Istimosanv Rozachem *
Tambdde Rozad Pole * Gupit Mog * Undir Mama * Moddganvam Thoveager *
Bannavlleche Monte Sokolu * Bokem Mhojem * Te Bainchem Udoku * Tanddela
Taz Mar * Askin Koxem Ublem * Maner Kensu * Danv Dadulea * Mhozo Poti
Bombaim Gela * Kavllea Kiteak Roddttai * Soglli Rati Bainkodde * Kunnbi
Jaki * Roza * Cecilia Mhojem Nanv * Cheddva Go Cheddva * Fulu Jardinantlem
* Jimmy * Marikin * Dezembra Mhoino * Manak sotri Lavun Vhor * Hanv Saiba
Poltoddi Voitam * Cheddva Za Go Kazar * Ag Fulam Bai * Sho Juana * Dogi
Tegi Biatini * Bhikari * Chol Cholotam Zali Rati * Farar Far and a couple
of instrumentals. Quite a range.
Not difficult to recommend this. I'd rate it at three-and-half of five.
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Price Rs 300. CD. From Dinfa Productions, 14 Nafees Chambers, 1st Floor,
121-123 Mody Street, Fort, Mumbai 400001. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:43:12 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] NEWS: Former top cop held for forging documents (New Delhi)
If my memory serves me right, this gentleman served in Goa in the early
'nineties. FN
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Former top cop held for forging documents
>From Indo-Asian News Service
New Delhi, May 20 (IANS) A former top police officer, who was once in charge
of VIP security, is in the police net for allegedly forging documents to
obtain property worth Rs.18 million.
Retired joint commissioner of police Y.R. Dhuria, 60, who headed the
security branch of Delhi Police, had been eluding arrest since last month
when his wife was sent to Tihar jail.
But he was arrested Sunday from the Ghaziabad town adjoining Delhi.
Soon after his arrest, Dhuria complained of chest pain and was admitted to
the Metro Hospital in Noida. He is under doctors' observation.
"We have arrested him and if doctors say he is in a stable condition we will
send him to jail," Assistant Commissioner of Police L.N. Rao told IANS.
Investigations have been on since last year when Dhuria was still in the
police force. "We moved against him after we collected enough evidence. His
being in a senior position will not stop us from prosecuting him."
Rao said he was trying to obtain land illegally.
Delhi Police Commissioner Ajai Raj Sharma, who is of the same batch of
Indian Police Service of 1966 as Dhuria, took on the investigations himself
as it involved a senior ranking officer.
The noose tightened after Dhuria's guards, who were posted under him when he
was the home guard chief, were arrested.
The two home guards, Shivraj Singh and Chattarpal, were arrested last year
after three men lodged a complaint of cheating at the Kanjhawla police
station in northwest Delhi.
Police said Dhuria had allegedly prepared a general power of attorney
according to which Shivraj Singh's wife had acquired the eight-acre land
from the complainants, even though there was no exchange of money.
The acquisition papers were later sold to Dhuria's wife Kamala for Rs.45
million. The complainants alleged the general power attorney was a fake
document and a case was registered last year.
Police on arrested Dhuria's wife Kamala April 11 and since then the former
official had been eluding the police.
Officials said when Dhuria heard that the police was hunting for him armed
with an arrest warrant he got himself admitted at the Metro Hospital for
heart trouble.
Officials caught him at a cinema hall in Ghaziabad where he had come to meet
someone after taking permission from doctors to step out of the hospital for
a few hours.
"We got information and arrested him from the spot."
- --Indo-Asian News Service
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:42:06 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] NEWS: New drug law helps police seize properties worth millions
New drug law helps police seize properties worth millions
>From Indo-Asian News Service
New Delhi, May 21 (IANS) An amended and stronger anti-drug law enabled Delhi
Police to seize property worth Rs.15.6 million belonging to three suspected
dealers.
Deputy Commissioner of Police D.L. Kashyap told IANS Dinesh Kumar Gupta, who
was arrested last year with heroin in his possession, now has his assets
frozen. They include two houses worth Rs.6 million.
A woman dealer, reportedly wanted in 18 cases, was arrested last year with
500 gm of heroin. Her husband and two sons also face trial for drug
trafficking.
Gupta said the woman owns seven houses worth Rs.7.5 million, which have been
seized by police.
The property of a third alleged drug dealer, who was caught in April with
two associates, was also frozen. The houses of the trio are estimated to be
worth Rs.2.1 million.
Gupta said the earlier law allowed a drug dealer's property to be
confiscated after his conviction. But amended last year, it now allows
police to seize the property of an accused after his arrest.
Police also arrested two men reportedly bringing heroin worth Rs.5.3 million
from Uttar Pradesh.
A third man, said to be a major supplier in northern India and on the run
since April, was also arrested.
- --Indo-Asian News Service
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:31:28 +0100
From: "C Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
I wonder if Sunila, James and Santosh ever PRAY?
If You PRAY, You will have FAITH,
And if You have FAITH, You will LOVE,
And if You LOVE, You will SERVE,
And if You SERVE, You will have PEACE.
-Mother Teresa
The following are my views on FAITH, BELIEFS, SPIRITUALITY and SCIENTIFIC
METHODS:
Whatever we do in life, we SERVE people directly or indirectly.
We can SERVE people with science and technology with or without knowing
much about spirituality or humanity. In the technology and scientific world
we accept only approved scientific methods to measure, quantify, compare the
results of any process.
We can also SERVE people directly much better with combination of our
HEART, INTELLECT, MIND and SOUL with the help of modern SCIENCE and
TECHNOLOGY.
Vedas (written in Sanskrit about 1500 B.C.) gives us this knowledge (of
HEART, INTELLECT, MIND, SOUL, etc) to KNOW and to SERVE fellow human beings,
other creatures and the Universe. English language has a limit to understand
Vedas (English version). Sanskrit is the spiritual language in which one can
understand Vedas perfectly. Whoever wants to gain this knowledge from the
Vedas can gain tremendous energy for the self-development and to SERVE the
humanity.
Although Science and Technology is the key factor for the world economy,
however, it is a very small factor to SERVE humanity.
Sorry, I may not have any scientific methods to prove this statement but it
is my experience beyond any doubt.
Cip Fernandes
London
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Sunila Muzawar wrote on 21 May 2002 09:39
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
>From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
>Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:42:20 -0000
>>Romain Rolland got a Nobel prize in literature. He was not a
>scientist. As far as I know, he said nothing about the Vedas and the
>speed of light. He would not have been qualified to say anything
>about the scientific validity of the Vedas. Please don't try to
>confuse issues here.
>
>By the way, he was a great supporter of scientific rationalism.
I read his name a long time ago in connection with something he said on the
Vedas. I will try and dig it up and if I do I will let you know. But you
know everything you have said about him reinforces my memory that it was him
only that I had read about in connection with the Vedas. After all science
and literature and the Vedas can be a heady combination. ;-)
> >Let me ask you have you ever read the Vedas ? Do you know Sanskrit ?
> >
>
>No for both questions. Have you, and Do you? If you have and do,
>Please enlighten us in English or Konkani. I am particularly
>interested in the speed of light issue.
Actually I haven't read the Vedas and I don't know Sanskrit. But would love
to know more. If nothing else, it would give me an insight into Indian
history. But one of the reasons I asked is to show you how illogical your
approach is. Just because you haven't read it and don't know more about it
does not mean it does not exist. :-)
> >Intuition, gut feeling, sixth sense and whatever else you may call
> >it does exist but unfortunately science lacks in being able to prove
> >it.
>Are you sure? Have you read the current scientific literature on
>these matters? I know there is a lot of published research that deals
>with this. I would love to know whether your assertion is based on
>the conclusions of this research, before I accept it.
I do read but am not a scientist or a psychologist. But recent findings on
proving mental telepathy and healing through sending distant mental
vibrations (includes prayer) is proving that thoughts or energy does travel
from one person to another over thousands of miles. I had read that The
California Pacific Medical Center is involved in this research and is
getting very encouraging findings. But why go so far ? Haven't you seen that
a patient responds better to treatment when he/she has the will to get
better and when they don't their health deteriorates dramatically despite
all the medicines and treatments ? Can medical science address that ?
> >Similarly, there are some things which are beyond proof. They are
> >simply there ....you cannot deny it.
> >
>
>How do you know this? I deny it, in the absence of evidence that your
>statement is true.
Just because you don't know you deny it. That doesn't mean it does not
exist. A hundred years ago if someone was told that you could be heard
thousands of miles away they would have laughed. Yet, today the telephone is
a reality. If sound waves can be captured and transmitted why do you deny
that thoughts can also be electro-magnetic waves which can be transmitted,
accepted and responded to ? Just because science hasn't discovered it yet,
it does not mean it does not exist. It is a superficial and narrow vision
that says that if you haven't seen it or heard it or proven it in some
physical way, it does not exist. That does not mean one should get loony and
spaced out. But to deny it is equal folly.
>Antibiotics cure illnesses whether you have faith in them or not.
>This is a scientific fact. Scientists know a great deal about how and
>why antibiotics work.
Yes, and now they are finding that new bacteria are coming about which are
immune to existing antibiotics. So they are caught up in the vicious cycle
of trying to exterminate every new bacteria that comes about. Unfortunately,
very little effort actually goes into finding out the source of this
bacteria. I don't deny the advantages of antibiotics. But just because
science found this magical remedy does not mean there aren't any more
remedies out there. It also does not mean that there isn't a way to prevent
the bacteria from occurring in the first place.
>Is this a general statement about human psychology or about the
>effectiveness of antibiotics being intertwined with faith? If it is
>the latter, there is scientific evidence that contradicts your
>statement.
It is the latter. I don't care what science currently says, I cannot deny
the fact that I have many side effects when I take a dose of antibiotics. It
does actually address infections effectively, but it creates other problems
in my body. I am hundred percent sure that I am not the only one to have
suffered from the side effects of antibiotics. And science keeps changing.
They told you meat is good for your body and then now they say virtually the
opposite and advocate vegetarianism. So which scientific theoram does one
believe ? Especially since it may be contradicted some time later.
> >Somethings just exist because they simply do.
> >
>
>It is great fun and enormously useful to find out why they exist and
>how. Science has been pretty successful at doing that.
Sure, but they have not completed the job. And just because they haven't
found something out yet, to deny the existence of that something is the
narrowest view ever. It is like someone asking for statistics to prove that
Hindus have been killed in Kashmir ...a question which actually occurred
recently on this forum. Just because someone hasn't collected these
statistics or just because these statistics aren't handy give outs doesn't
mean the Hindus haven't been killed. One reads about the killings
practically everyday in the news but unfortunately, someone needs an audited
report of statistics to believe it before you can accept it. I tell you it
is absurd.
> >There is something beyond and that is God.
> >
>
>Again, How do you know that?
Because I love him and because I relate to him. Now don't ask what is love.
After all can science truly prove an abstract emotion like LOVE ? You just
know it is. ;-)
Cheers,
Sunila
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