Hi All,
A Happy New Year.
Would anyone of the readers out there be able to provide me with a recipe for goa sausages?
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Lena
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1. Re: Place names... (Sunila Muzawar)
2. Carambola Fruit Facts (John J. D'Souza)
3. Ek Anki Natkulim: Ekuch Avaz.....................!! (lino dourado)
4. Fw: [GOANET] INDIAN RUPEE RATES. (gabriel)
5. RE: NEWS-GULF: Oman to give visa on arrival to Indians (Suzanne)
6. Musings from Salmona... (Saligao) (Frederick Noronha)
7. Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM (George Pinto)
8. Re: God Forgive Them is the plea from Moira. (noel)
9. Thanks: Healthy News (Staff)
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Message: 1
From: "Sunila Muzawar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [GOANETT] Place names...
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:52:41 +0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Fred,
Fred, I warn you that I have taken this issue up very seriously and you will
have to reckon with my indepth knowledge of konknii and Goa. :-) I am
inclined to insist that Calangute should be Kolngutey and not Congutti. The
"l" which in Konknii is a pretty deeply pronounced consonant and should be
probably written as "ll"...a double l is not pronounced properly by a
section of Goans. In fact they leave it out altogether. The same with
"deull" or temple. Many Goans (mostly the Christian and also the Hindi
speaking people from the rest of India) leave out the deep l and replace it
with a light l sound or even a "d" sound. So they say "deudann" instead of
"deullann" and so on.
Now the reason for the deep l not being pronounced is due to the Portuguese
influence or Hindi influence which does not have this phonetic. That does
not mean Konknii does not have it. It does and we should get it right.
As far as the others go, the Konknii pronouciation of what we now write as
Mapusa definitely has a more "ha" sound after the M and a nasal "n" sound at
the end. So I still vote for Mhapshyanh....although I don't mind changing it
to Mhapsheanh.....in fact maybe that is more correct. And although I agree
with the general spelling for Margao that you have given I still cannot
accept the O in it because the O is pronounced almost silently here and in
all probability should be written as Madganv.
And Goyan is better for Goa while Goen could also be considered. The whole
problem is some idiot who knew more Portuguese than English wrote out the
English spellings to names of places in Goa. That's why they wrote Panjim
where they expected the m to be silent. But that's not the way English would
pronounce it. And now we are left with a foreign sounding capital name which
no real Goan ever uses expect when he/she converses in English.
This is fun. It is also quite hilarious to see the various inputs to this
debate.
>The problem is that the expat-imagine Goa is quite a different animal from
> >what is the current ruling ideology in Goa itself.
I agree that Goa means different things to different people. And that's
okay. But that is also why many people of Goan origin no longer fit in Goa
when they return to Goa after being away for long, abroad.
E.g. we have a miniscule portion of the expats on this forum who have hardly
even gone to Goa more than a few times in the last twenty years, who happen
to think that they know it all. But talking down is a habit many people
cultivate when they live a few years abroad and go back east to try to
impress on how much they have achieved. Unfortunately, they do let out that
they did not achieve even basic courtesy which true Goans have in plenty.
Talk to a true native Goan - the gaudo - and see the indepth strength of
character and quiet courtesy and respectfulness, not to mention the warmth
of heart that they have despite maybe a lack of high education and riches.
Somehow, when one goes abroad we mostly see the folks return as brash and
loud individuals who think they are God's gift to mankind. The truth is they
do not belong anywhere then, neither in the west where they will always be
regarded as hailing from India (or Pakistan for that matter) despite the
western nation citizenships or green cards which they flaunt, nor in India
and Goa where they no longer fit in. That is probably the single most
important reason for some expats wanting to free Goa from the so called
clutches of India. However, I predict ;-) that ten-fifteen years from now
when India will be far richer and far more affluent and far more safer than
the west, we will see the reverse exodus of these expats.
Nevertheless it is fun to see these characters in action. I remember the
time when this Goan chap who had lived in England for a few years insisted
on getting stamps for 20 pence at a local Goan post office. The poor post
office clerk didn't know what pence meant and asked whether he meant paisa.
Now saying the "paisa" word was beneath this England returned chap's dignity
so he stuck to his funny English accent with "pence" and the rest of us in
the queue were in splits until someone finally got irritated and just shoeed
the England returned chap away.;-)
So let's hope that if we finally get the Goan names right, our expat folks
will accept them. But if you think about it, how many of them actually
condescend to say Mumbai instead of Bombay ? :-) And saying Kolngutey may
really seem so eastern and tacky instead of the fancy Calangute. And Margao
is so stylish compared to the real Madganv. ;-)
Have a great 2003.
Sunila
>From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [GOANET] Place names...
>Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:25:11 +0530 (IST)
>
>Correction, Sunila. Not Kolngutey, Mhapshyanh and Madgaon but Congutti,
>Mapshea and Modganv... and surely people like Jorge Abreu Noronha could
>give us more phonetically-correct spellings. My own education was mostly
> >in the phonetically-far-from-accurate English language. (That too, in
>Goa, >which makes it phonetically even more inaccurate!)
>Devangari to Roman/Latin script renderings tend to be prone to error,
>specially if done without the symbols (these are not practical
>perhaps to implement) of the good old colonial times or the International
>Phonetic Alphabet and Daniel Jones' Pronouncing Dictionary.
>
>The other way round, from Roman/Latin to Devanagiri is less prone to
>error, since the latter script is more precise as to the exact sound each
>alphabet signifies. Of course, an agrument could be made that Devanagari
>too could do with a handful of extra characters to represent the peculiar
>sounds of Konkani (or Konknni, if you prefer) speech.
>To everyone taking part in this debate: Are we willing to take into
>account that Goa means different things to different people? Maybe there
>are five or six or eight different Goas out there, created according to
>the image and likeness of what we have in our imagination.
>
>These could be defined by geography, gender, caste, religion, and our own
>experiences with emigration and colonialism.
>
>The problem is that the expat-imagine Goa is quite a different animal from
>what is the current ruling ideology in Goa itself. Likewise, writers (all
>of us) are guilty of creating our own realities... These are complexities
>which perhaps need to be acknowledged before plunging into the debate.FN
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Message: 2
From: "John J. D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 05:38:04 -0800
Subject: [GOANET] Carambola Fruit Facts
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
see: http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/carambola.html
Could grow in popularity just as Kiwi fruit here.
Kiwi is a good digestive aid after eating too much (Goan!) food.
JJD'S
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From: "Vivian D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [goans_tanzanite] There is more to Goa
..................besides sun sea and sand .....................
>
> I have never seen Carambolas in Goa.
> renebarreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Learning to use the fruits that
are available in GOA ,
>
>
> ........Carambola ,
>
> ..can be made as an every day treat. most commonly known
> as star fruit here in the Uk , carambola's have a crisp apple-like
> and tightly citrus flavour. Their beautiful shape makes them perfect
> for decorating deserts , such as pavola or fruit salad, and their sharp
> flavour go well with savoury dishes too. The full flavour develops
> when they are lightly poached in syrup until just tender.
>
>
> How to prepare
>
> The fruit is ripe when the skin is yellow and the ridges are brown.
> They do not require peeling , simply slice off the ridges, rather
> like de-stringing a runnerbean, and slice the fruit into stars. Store
> star fruit in the salad compartment of the refrigator.
>
> tip . Slice and serve in drinks .......
>
> Serves 4
>
> Carambola in Lemon Grass Syrup
>
> 55g(2 oz) castor sugar
> 2 salks lemon Grass
> 1 whole star anise
> 4 carambola
>
> Place the castor sugar in a sauscepan with 300ml ( 10fl oz)
> of water.Heat until sugar is dissolved.Crush the lemon grass
> stalks and add to the syrup with the star anise. Simmer for
> 3 minutes , then add the sliced carambola and poach until just
> tender but still whole.Leave to cool . Remove the lemon grass ,
> but leave the star anise in for decoration.Serve the sliced
> carambola with a little of the poaching syrup , or add to other
> fruit for a fruit salad.The rest of the syrup is delicious in cold drinks
> and combined with gin or vodka and sparkling water an unusual cocktail
>
> Try it out at your own risk .................if good , let me know , if
not
> ...dont tell me.
> ..................
> rene
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:47:12 -0800 (PST)
From: lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [GOANET] Ek Anki Natkulim: Ekuch Avaz.....................!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ekuch avaz Kuwaitchea xarant. Ekuch gozal Konknni
lokachea ghorant. Hea vorsak Konkani Ek Anki Natkutlea
Spordhant poilo inam (Tosrip) konn ubhartolo?
Ho usko lhan toxe vhodd Konknni mogeank zal�lo asa.
Sogot niallache somdirant guspolele asat. Tumchea
vichar sut�te korcheak toiar zaleat. Panch borovpi ani
digdorxpi. Ani te oxe asat.
1)HO NEAI KOSLO?: Dig. Domnic Araujo (Santa Cruz)
Bor. Maria Rodrigues (Neura)
2)KHORO MONIS: Bor/Dig. Salu Faleiro (Betalbatim)
3)XERMAVN Dig. Lancy Rodrigues
Bor. George Pinto (Mugllur)
4)JIVIT EK ODRUXTT Bor/Dig.Mariano L.Diniz (Canaconna)
5)PATANG:Bor/Dig. Joe Ferreira (Asolna)
United Club of Utorda-Kuwait ghoddun haddtat Goan
Welfare Society (GWS) hanchea hasrea khal tanchem
vorsavolichem dusrem �Konkani Ek Anki Nakuleanchi
Spordha. Voili Spordha Gulf English School,
Auditorium, Rumeithiya hangasor zateli. Janerache
31ver, 2003 suru zavn justuch sanjeachea 3.30 vaztam.
Tumchea �gate passes� adinch sugur korat. Ek sanj
ugddas urpachi. Ek sanj muojechi.
=====
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From: "gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fw: [GOANET] INDIAN RUPEE RATES.
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:14:14 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> NO RESPONSIBILITY IS ACCEPTED FOR RATES GIVEN.
>
> USD/INDIAN RUPEE 47.98
>
> EURO 49.92
>
> JAPAN (100 YEN) 40.04
>
> GREAT BRITAIN 76.95
>
> BAHRAIN 127.27
>
> UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 13.06
>
> KUWAIT 160.01
>
> SAUDI ARABIA 12.79
>
> SINGAPORE 27.53
>
> HONGKONG & MACAO 6.15
>
> MALAYSIA 12.63
>
> THAILAND 1.12
>
> SWISS 34.25
>
> CANADA 30.75
>
> AUSTRALIA 27.53
>
> NEW ZEALAND 25.53
>
> DENMARK 6.72
>
> NORWAY 6.90
>
> SWEDEN 5.50
>
> SOUTH AFRICA 5.65
>
> KENYA (100) = 61.73
>
> TANZANIA (100) = 4.91
>
> UGANDA (100) = 2.67
>
> GOLD 1 OZ. 16,840.64
>
> SILVER 1 OZ. 233.42
>
>
>
>
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From: "Suzanne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [GOANET] NEWS-GULF: Oman to give visa on arrival to Indians
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:39:27 +0300
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Fredrick thnx for the news update plz keep informing about the rest coz miss
goa a lot
suzane
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Subject: [GOANET] NEWS-GULF: Oman to give visa on arrival to Indians
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>From Indo-Asian News Service
Dubai, Jan 7 (IANS) Indian tourists will receive a three-week visa on
arrival in Oman as part of a move to attract visitors to the Muscat Festival
2003.
The Gulf News daily quoted a Muscat Municipality official as saying that
citizens of 65 countries will be given visas on arrival and India is
included in the list. The festival will feature Indian entertainers like
Shah Rukh Khan.
Khalil bin Abdullah Al Balushi, deputy director of information at Muscat
Municipality, said the move coincides with the festival, which opens
Wednesday.
The report said that no formal announcement has been made, but the Tourism
Department has already issued a circular to leading travel agencies in Oman.
The fee for a two-week visit visa is seven Omani riyals and it can be
extended for another week. This visa will be given at Oman's international
airports and the country's land border with the United Arab Emirates (UAE),
the report said.
According to the Times of Oman newspaper, depending on the success of the
issuance of visa on arrival to Indian passport-holders during the Muscat
Festival, the system may become a regular feature.
The report said the Omani government's latest initiative would attract more
affluent Indians towards Oman, which would be beneficial to both countries.
"We have alerted our partners in India about this matter," the official
said.
Meanwhile, Muscat is readying for the 35-day festival, which was first held
in 1998. It was called off last year to show solidarity with the
Palestinians.
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suzane
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>From Indo-Asian News Service
Dubai, Jan 7 (IANS) Indian tourists will receive a =
three-week visa on
arrival in Oman as part of a move to attract visitors =
to the Muscat Festival
2003.
The Gulf News daily quoted a Muscat Municipality =
official as saying that
citizens of 65 countries will be given visas on =
arrival and India is
included in the list. The festival will feature =
Indian entertainers like
Shah Rukh Khan.
Khalil bin Abdullah Al Balushi, deputy director of =
information at Muscat
Municipality, said the move coincides with the =
festival, which opens
Wednesday.
The report said that no formal announcement has been =
made, but the Tourism
Department has already issued a circular to leading =
travel agencies in Oman.
The fee for a two-week visit visa is seven Omani =
riyals and it can be
extended for another week. This visa will be given at =
Oman's international
airports and the country's land border with the =
United Arab Emirates (UAE),
the report said.
According to the Times of Oman newspaper, depending on =
the success of the
issuance of visa on arrival to Indian =
passport-holders during the Muscat
Festival, the system may become a regular =
feature.
The report said the Omani government's latest =
initiative would attract more
affluent Indians towards Oman, which would be =
beneficial to both countries.
"We have alerted our partners in India about this =
matter," the official
said.
Meanwhile, Muscat is readying for the 35-day festival, =
which was first held
in 1998. It was called off last year to show =
solidarity with the
Palestinians.
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:05:02 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [GOANET] Musings from Salmona... (Saligao)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BY THE TIME we reached the Salmona temple, it was nearly 8 pm. There was a
crowd and the speeches were on. If you have a persistent question-asking
four-year-old with you, it's best to stand at a distance....
After getting our groundwater stolen in vast quantites from many points in
the village (including just near the MLA's home), and garbage from the
heavy waste-generating tourism belt dumped alongside the local hillock,
this is the third battle-over-nature that Saligao is now seeing.
Some wise guys have come up with the idea of 'developing' part of the area
around the Salmona spring (locals call it the 'fountain'). They claim to
have got the forest officials' permission to fell trees in this
wooded, cool and green area. But this claim has already been questioned.
For a change, villagers cutting across religious lines were out to make
their views felt. There was a little bit of intrigue at Tuesday night's
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