I thought Tariq's "summary" was quite witty. I see no
reason for demonizing the other parties by use of
descriptors such as "tirade" and "coaltion of
peace-breakers".
Happy debating.
Marlon

--- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> What a cleverly concocted summary.  Now, isn�t the
> audience intelligent 
> enough to summarize the debate and draw his/her own
> conclusion.  Or do we 
> need an emissary of our earlier debater to summarize
> on his behalf? Where 
> one group member ceases his tirade, another emerges,
> from a coalition of 
> peace-breakers.
> 
> Now, in the entire earlier discussions I have never
> said that �peace� is for 
> the believer only. God�s peace is available to ALL,
> and it is up to 
> man/woman to live in peace and harmony, and thus
> promote peace amongst 
> fellow humans.   God makes the sun rise, and the
> rains fall on the good and 
> the bad, the just and unjust, the believer and the
> unbeliever alike.  In 
> essence, the post stated that peace is God given
> gift (to be shared by and 
> amongst humankind).
> 
> T.Siddiqui wrote:
> �Santosh Helekar can get no peace when Joe Vaz gets
> peace by denying
> Santosh peace by limiting peace to believers even
> though Santosh gets
> peace by not being a believer and believes that
> believers are denying
> peace to non-believers.�
> -----
> 
> Since the above twisted and concocted �summary�
> betrays the purpose of my 
> recent debates, let me set this straight, one
> finally time:
> 
> 
> 1.  To begin with, I did NOT start the �peace�
> debate, it was at least 6 
> (six) rounds/threads later, that I joined in.
> 
> 2.  The basic point I was making was that Santosh
> has no right to ridicule 
> religious or spiritual beliefs.  In this context, I
> specifically pointed to 
> the biblical scriptures and �Jesus raising the dead
> man Lazarus to Life� and 
> Santosh�s mockery and insensitive remarks in
> reference to the above, -- 
> stating these were �games� and �The above miracles
> are an appeal to 
> Ignorance....�  The point is these are neither
> �games� nor �an appeal to 
> ignorance� but are historical facts.


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