Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! ------------------------------
1. George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with you. On balance our self-promoting Goan > leaders, the Archdiocese of Goa, our Goans > nuns and priests have let Goans down. They have not > inspired leadership, entrepreneurship, pride > in being Goan or cultivated Goan history, etc. Reply: Religion is generally not about teaching leadership - it is about learning humble "followership". We Goans are perfect followers. Entrepreunership is taught. Hence the Vatican Bank. It is possible that our Goan high-up clergy hide their money under their mattress as I haven't heard of a Goan religious (Hindu or Catholic) bank.... The Goan history of St. Francis Xavier is taught, although it may be a little slanted. Pride in the faith of the Goans etc. is definitely taught. 2. George wrote: > Imagine after 500 years of being foot-soldiers for > the Vatican (mostly European) we do not have a > SINGLE Catholic order in our name but do a lot of > the work for the glory of foreign religious orders > (Salesians, Redemptorists, Jesuits, etc.). Reply: Many learned people quickly corrected you from their vast store of learning, that Goans do have our own religious Orders. If we work harder than others for the glory of foreign religious Orders, we are making up for lost time. We weren't allowed into these religious Orders for the first couple of hundred years of conversion - hence Joseph Vaz and other Goan priests helped form the first native Goan Congregation in 1685. Then in the twentieth century, we were allowed to form a couple of other religious Congregations. Francis Xavier wrote that nothing much can be expected from allowing Indians into the Jesuits (or some such words), so we do have to prove that we can excel since Goans were finally admitted into the Jesuit Order in the 1930's or so. We don't put the names of our Goans on our institutions, churches etc. - we take pride in building a Xavier this and a Don Bosco that and it ensures the donation flow. Calling something after Mother Teresa is a sell-out too. That's not just working for the glory of foreigners, it's practical marketing entrepreunership for you. 3. George wrote: No saint either after 500 years! Reply: Be patient. We didn't have a Goan Patriarch either for almost 500 years until the last Portuguese Patriarch of Goa died in the 1960's or so. The Catholic Church in Goa has a 100% non-canonized saint rate which we should be proud of. We wouldn't want to lose our lead and become like Japan, Vietnam, China, Philippines, some African countries etc. and start getting saints... 4. George wrote: I do not know why Goans allow themselves to be treated as doormats. Reply: We're not ordinary doormats. We're happy-to-be-doormats in a rough, competitive, unhappy world and have reached Nirvaticana. 5. George wrote: Perhaps Fred Noronha reference to the "colonized mind" explains all or some of it. Reply: Too intellectual for me. Best wishes, Filomena > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > ########################################################################## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ########################################################################## __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ########################################################################## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##########################################################################