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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Goa History
George Pinto wrote Tongue in Cheek that : history should not be done by
historians but by confused, arm-chair amateur historians like Gilbert. We
should ignore anything critical written about Catholicism, the Inquisition
or temples being destroyed. Foolish, professional, biased historians wrote
these kaneos. Instead, we should rely on arm-chair speculators of what might
have been. The way forward for Goa is for engineers to administer medicine,
for accountants to grow crops, for farmers to write software code. Goa will
You make a lot of sense by that Tongue in Cheek comment. Perhaps, that is
what has been
happening all along, anyway. It just might be that we have 'biased
historians' presenting us not so much with 'kaneos', as with with
conveniently selective translations. All this giving new meaning to the
phrase 'Lost (or is it selectively found) in Translation'.
When I have the opportunity to watch any sporting event, I normally tune in
to the TSN network from Canada. The BBC/ITV commentators from the UK are
much less biased when compared to the US based commentators.
During the Olympic Games, it is as though two different Olympic Games are
The same thing wrt News. When you watch Faux Nooj, do you get the same view
of the world as when you watch (say) RTE from Ireland or ABC (Australia) or
In the name of Freedom, we have Bias and Selective Presentation of Thoughts
Not surprising that the well known anti-Catholic, BJP idealogue MV Kamath
had to quote a "Catholic" source in his attack on the Church. That is a well
And I do expect anti-Catholic elements to agree with the MV Kamaths of this
I ask MV: Is this the most important news item affecting India or the BJP at
I suggest that Equity and Equitable presentation of ideas are the only way
we will achieve Peace and Goodwill (as far as possible) among people of
disparate beliefs, colour, nationality or way of life.
In order to do that, we have to place ALL the CARDS on the table.
If we do that (and honestly), we will surely realise ....tough as it is to
swallow... that ALL of our forebears be they Hindu, Catholic, Muslim,
Indian, Indian subcontinental, Continental and non-Continental Portuguese,
Moghals, Turks ...whoever.....THEY ALL have been Brutal, Intolerant and
Murderous of the "One's Before".
That is the only way that the "present" Goans came to displace the
"original" Goans i.e. the Kunbis and Gaudis.
Those who came to LORD OVER the poor, unarmed and weak eventually ENSLAVED
them into a multi millenia of SLAVERY courtesy the Caste System.
ALL of the 'invaders" razed the places of worship of the previous ones. ALL
Some, like the Portuguese, destroyed what they considered places where
"False Gods" were
worshipped. Some like Aurangzeb, used the excuse of the horrible Devadasi
enslavement of poor women into temple organised & based slavery into
prostitution, as a reason for the destruction of some temples.
And just in case you are wondering WHAT happened to the Buddhist places of
worship, Yes ..WHAT really happened to them?
Any thoughts, MV or compadres?
Back to equity in thought and word, I suggest that we place our own words in
perspective especially when it comes to Religion.
Otherwise, we will be no better than the Jews v Arabs or Protestants v
Catholics, Hindu v Muslims or even Sikhs v Hindus.
If ONLY we had realised that Men of ALL religions have destroyed in the name
of THEIR God.
If ONLY we had realised that Men of ALL religions are biased in their
presentation of thoughts.
If ONLY we had realised that Men of ALL religions ONLY believe the One-sided
coverage presented by their side.
And YES, Men of at least TWO religions which claim to be Peaceful have BURNT
Women alive; Men of One Religion burnt Millions of women alive courtesy
Sati. Others sent folks to the stake for being Heretics or Witches.
And Yet, as the good modern day sage Valmiki (Faleiro) notes: Religion is a
We have one set (Catholics) who want to convert more people to Catholicism,
and another(Hindus) who want to reconvert more people to Hinduism.
For Heaven's Sake, will you two sets of people just STOP trying so hard?
Just be open, fair, equitable and honest in your dealings ...... and tons of
people will join you. So many that you will not know what to do with them.
Unless we see ALL the sides, we are likely to be biased. And it is our
Biased presentations which will be used to BEAT up upon some very good
people who are in minority situations.
Many of our forebears were Unfair, Biased, Intolerant and Violent. We can
Time to accept it and move ahead.
good wishes as always
Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : <It is well documented by independent
jc: depends what the words "independent historians" mean
BTW: Are the persons who wrote the following 'selectively selected' posts,
Historians or even Independent?
1: TIRUPATI TEMPLE A BUDDHIST SHRINE
Introduction by Prof. Dr. M. D. Nalawade,
M.A., B.Ed., LL. B., Ph. D.,
Retd. Professor and Head of History Dept. Pune University
2: RAJPUT PERIOD WAS DARK AGE OF INDIA - Rise of Rajputs was for
3: Sati Was Started For Preserving Caste
Ms. Shakuntala Rao Shastri, in her "Women in Sacred Laws" very aptly
describes the pitiable condition of women before the Britishers came to
4: MAHATMA JYOTIRAO GOVINDRAO PHULE occupies a unique position among the
of Maharashtra in the nineteenth century.
Impressed by Jotirao's intelligence and his love for knowledge, two of his
neighbours, one a Muslim teacher and another a Christian gentleman persuaded
his father Govindrao to allow him to study in a secondary school.
Jotirao boldly attacked the stranglehold of the Brahmins, who prevented
other from having
access to all the avenues of knowledge and influence. He denounced them as
http://www.mahatmaphule.com/ ....click on "About Mahatma".
5: MY BATTLE YOUR BLOOD (needs subscription to read)
When you get an opportunity, please locate and read Mahatma Jotirao Phule's
DEDICATED TO THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES AS A TOKEN OF ADMIRATION
FOR THEIR SUBLIME DISINTERESTED AND SELF SACRIFICING DEVOTION
in the cause of Negro slavery; and with an earnest desire, that my
countrymen may take their
noble examples as their guide in the emancipation of their Sudra Brethren
from the trammels
of Brahmin thraldom.
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