--- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would like to know what YOU feel is the PRIMARY > root-cause of War, Confict and Violence in > contemporary society, and how is it in > contrast with historical wars. Is it due to: > 1) Fundamentalism & Bigotry (Religious, Cultural, > Racial, Ideological, etc) > 2) Greed (for Wealth, Power & Authoritarianism, > Glory) that is sometimes cleverly disguised as > reason # 1 > 3) Innate violent nature of humans, more often of > men. > 4) Other > > Whether the Iraq war was due to reason #1 > or #2 is a matter of great contention, judging from > previos posts of Mario and others (which we > wouldn't want to get into again, I might think) > Mario responds: > Not so fast, Aristo. You cannot sneak by with such a false premise "by others" which only demonstrates their woeful unfamiliarity with the 12-year run-up to the liberation of Iraq, the involvement of the entire UN throughout that period regarding the issue of Iraq's WMD's, and the 15 - 0 UN Security Council vote to pass UN resolution 1441 which demanded that Iraq disarm, disclose what they had done with their WMD's, or face serious consequences. This followed 16 previous UN resolutions between 1991 and end-2002 that had demanded that Iraq disarm, disclose what they had done with their WMD's, or face economic sanctions. Every one of those UN resolutions were violated by Iraq. > These were UN resolutions, Aristo, starting before George Bush was even Governor of Texas. The entire UN believed Iraq had WMD's, Aristo, going back to 1991. Did you and the others know that? > Until 9/11 Bush had wanted nothing to do with international "nation-building". He said so when he ran for President in 2000. Got everyone upset around the world because they saw this as the US becoming isolationist. Did you and the others know that? > In addition you and the others need to read the Joint US Senate and House resolution of October 2002 which authorized the US to go to war to change the regime in Iraq if necessary, as well as the US Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 demanded and signed by President Bill Clinton because of Iraq's WMD's and the concern that he would provide these to suicidal jihadis that had been attacking the US throughout the 90's. I'm sure you remember President Clinton, Aristo, a favorite of lefties everywhere. Even HE thought Iraq had WMD's. Imagine that. > With this as background, it would be patently absurd to blame the Iraq war on your causes No. 1 or 2, unless you can make the case that the entire UN colluded in Fundamentalism & Bigotry and Greed, and only against Iraq. > Aristo writes: > > However, I also believe that wars of the past were > caused mainly due to greed, the Crusades included. > Mario replies: > The Crusades took place during Christianity's fascist period. What level of "greed" do you suppose would cause Europeans to don heavy metal armor and ride on horses across Europe to the arid deserts of the middle-east to fight in 110 degree heat? No, it had nothing to do with greed. It was all about religious bigotry and fanaticism. > You may be able to make the case that WW-II was started by greed, though, compounded by a maniacal ethnic hatred. > Aristo writes: > > Coincidently, I happened to be listening to John > Lennon's "Imagine" the other day, and began to > ponder whether if there was no religion and > there were no possessions, would the world really > live as one? > Mario observes: > While you were pondering John Lennon's musings, did you factor in the Communist Manifesto, where the stated goal was to pre-emptively dominate the world by force to live under the yoke of the Communist philosophy, in which a central tenet was atheism? The communists wanted the world to live as one alright, under their thumb, with everyone's possessions belonging to them, i.e. the state. > I hope you are not one of those who only wakes up and takes umbrage when totalitarian tyrants are being opposed, as in Iraq today, and sleeps like a baby when totalitarian tyrants are on a rampage, as in Iraq under Saddam Hussain. > BTW, what do you think of communist/atheist N. Korea starving it's own people to develop nukes and missiles, menace their neighbors and sabre rattle on the world stage? What fundamentalist religious bigotry do you think is involved there? > The places where your Item No. 1 fits perfectly into is in Iran, Israel/Palestine, and the stated goals of Al Qaeda. > Let's talk some more if you like after you have had a chance to absorb all of the above. >
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