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Hi Santosh,
Thanks for your response. It was helpful though confusing. Given the heat
wave we are having across the USA, I was wondering if that was due to the heat
in Houston on New York. You started by saying you were not going to respond to
innuendo (good). Then you went on to provide a whole bunch of innuendos (not
good). In supplying the statistics, you intermixed the US data with India data.
The latter appeared to be a combination of contemporary data with what existed
100 years ago (grandmother's era).
As an example you refer to US data on teen-age mothers (likely school dropouts)
who have children out of wedlock (some with multiple fathers) living in single
parent homes surviving on the government's safety net. This is compared
(favorably) to our (Indian) grandmother's social structure where the young
girls were married and living in a joint-family system with an immense amount
of near and extended family and social support system.
You also find a good similarity of single-parent homes (mistakenly termed
single family homes) due to divorce in modern society to widowed parents in
traditional societies. In the latter, there are grandparents and social support
systems of both sides of the family. This is not to mention that in the former
cases the situation can be generally forestalled while in the latter case, it
was tragic.
I did not include rape etc as a separate end-point because I had to stop
somewhere to make it easier on you. Yet that and other social situations would
be reflected under prison population. This statistic (per thousand population)
is much higher in the modern / western world that in traditional societies.
So with due respects, using your pro-science and logical bent, your comparative
statistical conclusions, have little meaning. You have on purpose chosen to
make "sarkem goddxem zalam."
Contrary to your understated numbers, in contemporary western societies, the
divorce rates is close to 50% of all marriages. And one in three children grow
in single-parent homes. I will not quote to you what happens in Goa TODAY,
lest Sunith accuses me again of living in a bygone era. He of course will not
provide us with factual data of the three communities, rather relying on
impressions. and insinuations
The point of this dialogue is that you and other atheists claim, the lack of
religious beliefs in today's society is great. And the "rock solid moral
codes" of a community are irrelevant to modern society. While I and others
submit to you that lack of those cohesive forces (on "the mob") is taking a
tremendous assault on the family, which is the basic unit of any community and
social structure. I concede that modern society is economically ahead of
traditional society. Yet I disagree with you that modern communities is
socially head of traditional communities because of their more liberal
attitudes. I continue to maintain that modern societies' social fabric is being
torn apart.
Finally, instead of asking me to read about Atheism which is not what you
believe in, perhaps you need to give us the title / name of your belief. Thus
we have a better understanding of your philosophic perspectives from
independent sources. And make sure it is consistent with your writings. I am a
bit tired of Goanetters who preach one thing (to appear intellectual) and
personally practice another philosophy. I do hope you and others do not reap
what you preach. Yet it is useful to remember that a seed does not fall far
from the tree.
Kind Regards, GL
----------------- Santosh Helekar wrote:
Sorry, I will not respond in kind to your innuendo in the above post.
Most common medical problems have causes that have nothing to do with morality
e.g. heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, cancer and stroke.
What is the relationship between morality and psychological problems, stress
and depression?
I am curious as to why you did not include homicides, rapes and the number of
executed prisoners.
But here are the actual numbers for your list and more:
1. Divorce rates: 1945 ? 18 per 1000 married women; 1973 ? 23 per 1000 married
women; 2001 ? 18 per 1000 married women.
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