Hi Mario,

I must disagree with you on this one. There is a great deal of
information available that seems to support Selma's views. The paper
you cite ignores the history of the Roman Catholic church in regards
to celibacy (or lack thereof), especially when it comes to the papacy.

Peter
--

Here are some interesting facts:
(Source: http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm )

Popes who were married:

St. Peter, Apostle
St. Felix III 483-492 (2 children)
St. Hormidas 514-523 (1 son)
St. Silverus (Antonia) 536-537
Hadrian II 867-872 (1 daughter)
Clement IV 1265-1268 (2 daughters)
Felix V 1439-1449 (1 son)


Popes who were the sons of other popes, other clergy:
Name of Pope    Papacy  Son of
St. Damascus I  366-348         St. Lorenzo, priest
St. Innocent I  401-417         Anastasius I
Boniface        418-422         son of a priest
St. Felix       483-492         son of a priest
Anastasius II   496-498         son of a priest
St. Agapitus I  535-536         
Gordiaous, priest
St. Silverus    536-537         St. Homidas, pope
Deusdedit       882-884         son of a priest
Boniface VI     896-896         Hadrian, bishop
John XI         931-935         Pope Sergius III
John XV         989-996         Leo, priest


Popes who had illegitimate children after 1139
Innocent VIII   1484-1492       several children
Alexander VI    1492-1503       several children
Julius  1503-1513       3 daughters
Paul III        1534-1549       3 sons, 1 daughter
Pius IV         1559-1565       3 sons
Gregory XIII    1572-1585       1 son

Mario writes:

> --- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > This incidentally was one of the chief reasons for
> > incorporating celibacy into the Catholic Church law.
> > That often, Church property was passed down from
> > generation to generation when priests could actually
> > marry and the Church was having none of that.
> >
> Mario observes:
> >
> When Selma makes such wise-sounding, closed-end
> comments, as if she knows exactly what she is talking
> about from sitting at the right hand of Pope Benny
> XVI, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  Sufficeth
> to say tears begin to stream down my cheeks:-))
> >
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