I am sorry that Gilbert thinks that I have distorted one of his claims, made a mistake on one, and fabricated another one. Because of this dispute he has gone on and said several negative things about me, and implied that I am a fool. But I am grateful to him to have at least been generous enough to concede that I have accurately paraphrased three of his six claims.
However, I would really like to understand what exactly it is that he was trying to say in the statements that he disputes. Therefore, I would like to actually quote these disputed statements from his post. And I humbly ask him to clarify them, and answer a few of questions about them. --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1. A modern scientific experiment in mice has shown > that an old grandmother's kaannee about cancer > surgery causing a cancer to spread was accurate. > > GL: Mistake! > Here is Gilbert's original quote that I am referring to: "Many may have heared in Goa, and in fact all over the world, the belief that when you operate on cancer, (open the patient), it makes the cancer spread and the outcome worse. The explanation was, if / when air gets to the cancer, the tumor became aggressive. So this is believed to be a Goan Kaneo. A few years ago, an experiment was undertaken where a batch of mice were injected with an identical quantity (volume) of aggressive cancer cells. As expected the mice developed multiple tumors (metastasis) in the lung. Half the mice were then operated to remove tumors from just one lung. The other half of the batch of mice did not undergo any surgery. The mice were then followed. The mice with their tumor (partly) removed died much earlier than the group where the tumors in both lungs were allowed to grow uninterrupted. Thus the grandmother's observation was accurate." ..............Gilbert Lawrence (Please see his original post at http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-September/048340.html) Gilbert has now given another explanation quoted below: > > The mice experiment caused the cancer cells to grow > more rapidly. In the experiment, the cancer had > already spread prior to the surgery. (Please see > the original post again). The spread was one of the > first steps prior to the real test (separation of > mice) started. Santosh's above statement clearly > demonstrates his difficulty / inability to observe > and interpret what is clearly written and plainly > seen by most. > The questions I have are: 1. Can Gilbert please provide me with the bibliographic reference to the original research paper that described this experiment? 2. What did he mean by the following assertions: a) "Many may have heared in Goa, and in fact all over the world, the belief that when you operate on cancer, (open the patient), it makes the cancer spread and the outcome worse." b) "Thus the grandmother's observation was accurate." > > 3. When doctors do not know what is going on, they > call it "the immune system", instead of calling it > the soul, inner strength, God within, etc. But for a > supurlo Goenkar like Gilbert there is no difference > between these terms. > > GL: Total fabrication by Santosh > Here is Gilbert's original quote to which I referred: "Now one can point to the fact that when doctors do not know what is going on, they call it "the immune system" instead of: inner strength / Mind / soul / Id / God within / self awareness/ inner essence / love / sentience / spirit / self / ego / emotion / pathos / carnal / atma / jiva / essence / Ego / Ekam / Ghost / Vitalism. Surely philosophers and theologians can make things complicated. But, for me a supurlo Goenkar, all these is the "same difference". :=))" ....................Gilbert Lawrence (Please see his original post at http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-September/048340.html) Now my question to Gilbert is: 1. Which part of my paraphrased statement is a total fabrication? > > 4. People all over the world, over the last 5000 > years, had similar perspectives on this issue as > doctors today. > > GL: I do not know what "perspectives" Santosh is > referring to! Yet again, it is a total distortion > of my writings. > Here is Gilbert's original quote to which I referred: "Now one can point to the fact that when doctors do not know what is going on, they call it "the immune system" instead of: inner strength / Mind / soul / Id / God within / self awareness/ inner essence / love / sentience / spirit / self / ego / emotion / pathos / carnal / atma / jiva / essence / Ego / Ekam / Ghost / Vitalism. Surely philosophers and theologians can make things complicated. But, for me a supurlo Goenkar, all these is the "same difference". :=)) This long list is to show that people from all over the world, over the last 5,000 years have had similar perspectives." Now the question I have for Gilbert is: 1. What "perspectives" was he referring to in the above quote, and what part of my paraphrased statement is a distortion? I hope Gilbert answers my questions. Cheers, Santosh _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
