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Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To illustrate my point, some on Goanet may have just > read from the Goan Voice (UK), an article by Fr > Raymond J. De Souza: Madness shames Muslim > World. To me, such an utter right-wing diatribe on > the Muslim response to Benedict is illustrative of > sheer added madness through the writing of a > Goan Catholic priest in Canada who seems unable to > see the wood for the trees in a seriously troubled > world. > > Indeed, in terms of substance in Fr Raymond's > article, in some ways it is as bad as all those > Muslims keen on Sharia law ... etc. > Mario observes: > Pope Benny XVI was criticizing the use of violence to promote a religious agenda. In that sense Fr. Raymond was absolutely right, Cornel's left-wing diatribe notwithstanding. It is Cornel who is unable to see the woods for the trees with his head stuck in the sand. > The seriously troubled world is entirely due to the objectives of the Islamo-fascist radicals as defined by their leader Osama Bin Laden, objectives that Cornel seems strangely unaware of, or chooses to ignore. > Cornel also chooses to compare the writings and verbal comments of this priest and the Pope on the one hand, with the murderous reactions of the Muslim radicals, who substituted violence for the verbal discourse that they could have used to rebut the Pope. > How can any sane analysis make a moral equivalence between speech and violence. > Cornel writes: > > I'd like to suggest that, Fr Raymond should do some > history homework to discover that, the West has > messed up Middle East peoples (well illustrated > through Edward Said's concept of Orientalism) for > the best part of two centuries in recent times. > > Today's radicalised Muslims are the chickens coming > home to roost... > Mario observes: > No, they are not. Osama Bin Laden declared war on the US at the height of Bill Clinton's appeasement oriented administration. Osama wants to create a Muslim Caliphate that would spread Islam throughout the world by force. Cornel chooses to ignore almost everything Osama and his henchmen say. > It is patently absurd to hide behind ancient history which cannot be changed and continue to justify bad behavior today based on someone else's bad behavior decades ago. > Cornel writes: > > and we need to understand this phenomena through an > informed perspective because there are just too > many dangers ahead. > Mario observes: > I'm sure the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians killed by Saddam and the innocent civilians killed on 9/11, Bali, 7/7 etc. would have all felt a lot better had they understood their killers' motives. > The Islamo-fascists are not interested in whether we understand them or not. They have declared war on the west and we better be ready to deal with them while Cornel chooses to close his eyes and ears and make excuses for them. > Cornel writes: > > At heart, I passionately believe in dialogue and > will never accept that this is not possible between > antagonistic groups. > Mario asks: > Cornel, Then you should travel to Waziristan and talk to Osama Bin Laden directly, instead of insisting that others talk to him. I'm sure you have been having heart-to-heart dialogues with the radicals at Edgeware Road. > I have asked you several times what one would say to someone who had already vowed to kill one and had spent years actually trying to carry out their threat. > All we get in return are emotional platitudes that dialogue is possible. Anything is possible, it is the illogic of dialog with an implacable enemy that is trying to kill you that is at issue. > I would have far more credibility with such fuzzy notions from Cornel and his ilk if they were also addressed to the hostile elements in this conflict. Instead they are invariably and exclusively addressed to the targets of the violence, who have finally decided to fight back. > _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org