Hi Santosh, Like a bad dream you are harping on something that I have told you repeatedly I do not know WHAT is YOUR beef? What exactly are you claiming is the problem in the original post? Is it the kani, in both the Goan and American folklore? Is it the design of the animal experiment? Is it the science of effects of surgery on immune markers about which there are plenty of 'peer reviewed' papers in many journals? Since most others have followed my post, what in the English of the post do you not follow?
OR Are you obfuscating the issue which is: Your demagoguery of my writings, as pointed out by many others? You have a well established pattern on Goanet of presenting yourself as the 'all-knowing-guy' by merely disparaging others' posts (not just mine). As you are a 'detailed oriented' guy for 'scientific honesty', let's evaluate YOUR four points / comments listed below: SH. Done what? Asked a cancer surgery expert? I had already done that. I have had extensive discussions on the topic of cancer biology and surgical treatment with this Goan expert over the past several years. Do you want me to post his response to your post on Goanet? GL: In a just prior post, you asked my permission to send my post to a "Goan Cancer Surgery Expert". Yet from above, you have already done that. Were you being disingenuous in your prior post? ----------- SH: Are you claiming that my knowledge about science, mouse experiments, cancer immunology and Goan kaanneo is obtained from the internet? GL: This statement is why I 'love' the way you PARSE your words. You are a 'smooth talker'. I am questioning your knowledge of cancer management (in patients) which you very cleverly omitted from the above list. The cancer management in humans was the application of the kani and conclusions of the post. It was cancer treatment in humans that you attacked me about. Thank you for not adding Oncology to the above list. ------------- SH: I have a response to your post from him. Please tell me if I have your permission to post his response on Goanet. Let us see who needs to follow his advice. GL: You and the others have not needed permission to post anything on Goanet. I do not see why you need it now. Please post what ever you want with proper reference including the expert's name and e-mail address. In fact if you need anybody's permission, it is the author's permission - TO USE HIM, in your private personal / personality quarrel. As you know this controversy is not about science. Were you all along surreptitiously "quoting from this expert" without informing us? Is this called plagiarism? Is it called presenting yourself as an oncologist, when you are not? Do not post under a "Goan cancer expert" designation. Because many may think you are quoting me?:=)) After all, who do you think I am, if not a Goan cancer expert? I would encourage your "Goan cancer surgery expert" to directly post his thoughts rather than having them filtered through you. BTW, why do you not post the opinion of a cancer expert as you did with the Mayo Clinic web links? Are you questioning the Goan kani? Or are you questioning the experiment and results of the experiment - both mice that I referred to and human that you directed the Goanet readers? As I mentioned in my prior posts, Goans have a penchant NOT to ASK questions. Yet they respond to a distorted post or an irrelevant issue. --------------- SH: I would really appreciate it if you would provide me with the original reference for the so-called mouse experiment that you described. GL: On this final point, I ask! As a good scientist, should you not have done this in the first place? Is this not what a true "inquiring mind" would do? Were you not being a cowboy (being polite) and shooting from the hip, in your first response? Is this shoot first, ask questions later? If you were so very right on what you wrote, why did you apologize to me in private? Don’t you think as a good doctor one would get details of the patient before opining about the treatment? Oops did I forget something? ----------------- Summary: Clearly your last post, supporting what Mervyn wrote, shows it is not the science (about what I wrote) that you quarrel. Is it the writing style which is what Mervyn opined about (see below)? I thank Mervyn for giving you a face-saving way out. So clearly, you are using your 'science credentials' to disparage me and my writing; and you end up by saying as "sets the record straight" as described by non-scientists. So please do me a 'por favor'. As I have told you before, talk to me in private about this experiment and about cancer management in humans. Please live by what you wrote to me and on this forum before. Please be a gentleman and a man of your word. Is that too much to ask from another Goan? Kind Regards, GL --------- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1. Done what? Asked a cancer surgery expert? I had already done that. I have had extensive discussions on the topic of cancer biology and surgical treatment with this Goan expert over the past several years. Do you want me to post his response to your post on Goanet? 2. Are you claiming that my knowledge about science, mouse experiments, cancer immunology and Goan kaanneo is obtained from the internet? 3. I have a response to your post from him. Please tell me if I have your permission to post his response on Goanet. Let us see who needs to follow his advice. 4. I would really appreciate it if you would provide me with the original reference for the so-called mouse experiment that you described. -------- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The post appended below sets the record straight. --- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) Gilbert's original article was extremely badly written. > 2) A board certified oncologist can make mistakes. > 3) There are people who are capable of pointing out mistakes that a person is > making in another profession. _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
