> --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > my opinion that it is no one else's business what > > a worker who needs a job accepts from an employer > > in terms of wages and benefits. > > > > > Perhaps you, Cornel or Selma can explain your > > objections to this opinion in a more intelligent > > way than simply calling it nonsense? > --- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe I did explain very clearly as to why it is > someone else's business what is negotiated between > employer and employee. A bargain can be struck only > between two individuals of equal status and power. > Unfortunately, an employer-employee relationship is > not amenable to such an act of bargaining in good > faith. > > It is precisely because the employee has been > seriously abused over the years that he enjoys the > protection of labour law, which in the US comes > under the purview of the Fair Labour Standards Act, > which governs everything from minimum wage, > overtime and child labour. > Mario responds: > BTW, its yadda, yadda, yadda, not yadha, yadha, yadha:-))) > You are entitled to your opinion. However, if your opinion is that others can make decisions for me, who may be the one who needs the work, and those decisions may prevent me from getting work, then it fits into the European-style socialist ideology that you and Cornel obviously share, whereas you describe yourself as a "die-hard capitalist" which you are plainly not. Cornel would be horrified to be known as a "die-hard capitalist":-))) > A die-hard capitalist believes that it is in everyone's enlightened self interest, in the current environment of a 4.4% unemployment rate, to be reasonable, for their own benefit. Which is why most workers in the US already make much more than even the higher minimum wage the Democrats are proposing, which is why the President will go along with it to neutralize their political gambit. > Besides, there are certain facts that you rely on that are way out of context or perspective. > The US Labour Laws were mostly written decades ago, and if you read the daily news you would know that they don't prevent any employer from laying off any one or a whole slew of workers whenever they need to. > If American workers needed the type of protection you insist they need then union membership would be growing not declining steadily for over two decades. > Perhaps the following analysis by two Swedish economists may help you to understand the difference between the US and Europe: > http://www.timbro.com/euvsusa/ > And the following very recent column has some interesting information for you and Cornel based on the published ideas of intellectual pigmy and Democrat icon, Michael Moore:-)) > http://www.fresnobee.com/287/story/14609.html > An excerpt: > "He gets on a high horse about raising the minimum wage, forgetting that something under 1% of the work force is paid that little, that large numbers of those getting the hourly sum are part-time, young workers from households with total incomes of fairly hefty amounts, and that minimum-wage hikes always risk eliminating jobs." >
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