Also FN, works do not have to be complex, but that does not mean not paying attention. No. You have published many books, but allow me to have a small basic class on process for anyone interested. This is simply my two annas worth of thought.
Also, some of us have older works, complex experiments, color fields, texture fields — some of which could suit specific needs. Its not about deciding in advance but the artist choosing or offering a piece or more against a particular text. Conversations help. Use this unsolicited advice with your artists, and designers. I am sure there are many foreigners who may be convinced to do a piece for you. So many approaches, bro. A mindfully painted twig may be all thats needed, or a garrafao, a shevkuo, a zot, or some sweet negligible. You get the point. All according to the story. Often that is where a good AD and Editor comes in, or the designer takes on that discerning role, or leaves it to the illustrator (which could be dangerous). For the Canon for Bears and Ponderosa Pines by Diane Frank, I received three poems, and did not wish to ask for the entire mss, but hoped I would receive it, and that happened. I read the entire book, back and forth, and came up with the following. It is dense, as it needed to be, keeping in character with the nature and meter of her layerings, and herself as a person. Tall order, but came through. The results are here: Canon for Bears and Ponderosa Pines by Diane Frank <https://glass-lyre-press.myshopify.com/collections/full-length-collections-1/products/canon-for-bears-and-ponderosa-pines> I did not design the cover. Here, the illustration for Canon for Bears and Ponderosa Pines <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156050729257370&set=a.177171292369.123027.605552369&type=3&theater> before it was taken over by the cover designer. Of course I am a designer first, but thats how things play out, and I am happy for it, although I do not always agree. A piece like The New Old Fire <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156066742432370&set=piaarp.605552369.10154152231962370&type=3&theater> cannot be done for peanuts, unless say, for someone I fall in love with, and lose my head. Kind of similar here: For Vermin Supreme <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156045213762370&set=piaarp.605552369.10154152231962370&type=3&theater>. A different deal. Sometimes one is moved. In my personal world interaction plays a huge role. And I do sense what is possible. Many small outfits if they know that say a nonprofit paid say Rs. 5000, will immediately balk at paying more than that, and even expect to pay say Rs. 2000. That is a crass logic. But lets have a laugh! One must try and look at the worth of any project. To study, to develop an eye, a relationship. Interact. Its like seeing how men spend varying amounts poixe on someone they wish to some spend time with, shooting the breeze or whatever. One gets a cha, the other a mango lassi. Modernity is about living by ones wits. I always rejected this though although aware; but my reality made me accept the truth of the day-to-day. To round up, a project may need nothing more than a few lines, but that does not mean one says: 63 1/2 lines so Rs. 63.50, or 635. A dense work does not mean anything unless that is what the piece demands. Very rare. Best all, —V On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Venantius J Pinto < [email protected]> wrote: > The logic if a bit off, other than the example of book exchange. > Perhaps you negotiated to give fewer copies and it did not work out. > Perhaps you simply needed the book for whatever reason. > But I do not know details, although I can speculate. But let that go. > > FN: Venantius, in my experience, those who have the capacity to use such > creative work often lack the resources to pay. > VJP: A move has to be made. Clarity. Q: Hey I can afford this. What do you > say? > What ground rules do you (say, the illustrator) have? Will you accept $… > To do so, one has to step back, and look at various facets. > Damn me, there are many in India. > Some things are investments. Design, and good typography is. As a book > design, and printing, > and stellar editing of course without losing the authors voice. Rare are > those editors. > All this is a challenge that is not lost on me. > > BUT nothing can be argued against “often lack the resources to pay.” > > One can ask the author to chip in. They may say NO. Well then OK. > > + > > FN: Those who have the resources > lack the interest.... > VJP: Kitem korya baba. To each their own. They are in a different enclave. > I have had people criticize my shoestring work for SAMAR, but are in > leading positions. The same with > those who have “mere namak khaya” (eaten my salt, so to speak) are major > investigative reporters, etc. > > Often those who have may not know you. When you tap the, they deem that > you have not done enough. > they rarely take risks. Someone took a chance on them, they were the > children of some privilege — say > father someone in the political establishment. > > Then there are recommendations. Those rarely happen. It would make those > enclaves look awesome unto themselves. > but they decide who belongs. Screw Caritas, or even true business! But you > will be stroked on the street!!! > > FN: I also don't see how we could match the global > disparities in income when it comes to such issues. (I have taken this > away from your book exchange example) > VJP: Its about talking, offering, letting the other know. Respecting hard > boundaries, being happy that ones work is being > respected and someone is willing to put their thinking cap on. I will be > 60 in a few years, am still developing (strangely), > but have learned to see that most people do not see. > > Thank you, > Now off to see the shroud at the St. George, the Ukrainian Church near > Cooper Union, NY. > > —Venantius > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Frederick Noronha < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Venantius, in my experience, those who have the capacity to use such >> creative work often lack the resources to pay. Those who have the >> resources >> lack the interest.... I also don't see how we could match the global >> disparities in income when it comes to such issues. Once, in exchange for >> a >> single book got from Europe, I needed to give back seven to balance the >> figures... FN >> >> >> One cannot simply give away work for free (although I am way past guilty) >> > just so it gets used someday, someplace for motivations just perhaps >> > contrary to the original intention for which it was created. Also its >> > harder to work for peanuts (the use of the word, pro bono has no >> meaning in >> > many cases, and I know more about it then most); and as my Dad would >> say: >> > Asloloi rodta ani nasloloi rodta. And Bernard was a 4th Std. burgo! Its >> > gets worse when there is no control. Often what was surely a good piece >> > scanned poorly, printed shabbily. But the opinion: Came out great man. >> > KITEM?! >> > >> -- >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> _/ >> _/ FN* फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا +91-9822122436 >> _/ RADIO GOANA: https://archive.org/details/@fredericknoronha >> _/ >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> >> >> >> > >
