Thank you Venantius, it is just a small intervention. As I said small roadside shrines in our village are called Khuris, regardless of which saint is in the small niche. I think it is all over Salcete. Grotto is very new and called grotto no translation!
Warm wishes Sonia On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 03:14, Venantius J Pinto <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Sonia, > Appreciate your intervention. All helps when done in grace. > vjp > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:21 PM Sonia Gomes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal), previously/ > > "copel." > > Kopal is the forehead! > > > > Chapel > Portuguese Capela > Capilla Spanish. > > > > There a large chapels too. For example Capela de Livramento Benaulim, In > > Benaulim most of the Chapels are large. > > Roadside chapels would be shrines, they are not Kopellam but Khuris. > > > > Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly Grotto in Konkani too. > > Gotto (the same word as for a cowshed, > > crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable). > > > > This is how it is in my part. > > > > Warm wishes > > > > Sonia > > > > + > > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 at 13:06, Venantius J Pinto < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Worth interacting with Vavraddeancho Ixtt, Pilar, or TSKK, Porvorim! > > > > > > The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal), > previously/ > > > "copel." In the earlier orthography there was no "k," along with a > couple > > > of other letters. In any case Kopal is a first for me. Perhaps gone > under > > > my radar. Indeed, bring in the experts! There are many who have to be > > > approached. > > > > > > Chapel > Portuguese, Capilla > Konkani Copel/ now Kopel. A chapel small > > as > > > it is, a smaller one would be an oratory but there is no specific > > dimension > > > other than what it is attached to, or whether it is stand alone on the > > > narrow village paths. now, roads or leading into villages. In Goa it's > > all > > > small > Just perhaps somewhere such distinctions are made. > > > > > > Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly gotto (the same word as for a > > cowshed, > > > crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable). Hopefully this will inspire > > > someone to contribute from their largesse .... indeed, of knowledge. > > > > > > + > > > My mother always referred to the grotto at the OL of Dolors Church, > > Wadala, > > > as gotto. Very little education due to extenuating circumstances, yet, > > the > > > old gal knew a thing or two about words, as I do in other areas and > > > languages. She may have been wrong, and anyway passed away last year > > > stumped short of 90. Loved my cribs and the backdrops I painted in the > > > smaller of the two spaces. Worlds lost, little worlds that assisted me > in > > > my visual magic. And proverbs abounded in our home. Yeah! > > > > > > An aside and tangential here: Very few words are directly cognate (Many > > > thousands from English into Spanish) - and many others sound close but > > mean > > > different. > > > + > > > > > > Anyway! > > > > > > Venantius J Pinto > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:25 PM Adolfo Mascarenhas <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I need help. I do not want to cross swords with the Clergy in > Goaland. > > > > The Clergy can have a big say about a Kopal .....the edifice can also > > be > > > > used to collect funds. > > > > > > > > There is a great deal of difference between a Chapel or KOPAL and > what > > in > > > > English is called a Grotto .I have no idea what the Konkoni word is > > for > > > > GROTTO > > > > Even an individual family. ;like in .BRAZ VILLA, in Upanga Dar es > > > Salaam, > > > > in the Garden the garden of the Dias family, they have built a > > Grotto. I > > > > have not heard that there was ever a Ladahin said ????. > > > > Stay Safe > > > > > > > > Grandolfo > > > > In Makongo Juu > > > > > > > > In Fatima ...Our Lady appeared in a dry land, a Grotto was built > > > > subsequently I think / > > > > > > > > > >
