Thank you Venantius! As far as I know Sanctuary was not used in Goa, maybe the Pe. Jose Vaz in Sancoale?
Hardly an expert but I too like languages. Having lived in a village practically my entire with continuous interaction with my co villagers the Konkani I speak is good. Warm wishes Sonia On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 01:22, Venantius J Pinto <[email protected]> wrote: > Heard, Sonia. > > Just before the road turns to enter Batim, on the way towards Agacaim, > there is a roofed 'chapel'/shrine, I have seen a few similar others. I > guess the word sanctuario is not used in Goa, or never was?! > > I believe and not to argue but gotto perhaps was unwittingly employed > homonymously. Still, I take your point about grotto, and it being new. > > I am aware that you are a writer, and it logically follows - an expert; > which I respect. > I keep improving my Konkani by speaking to myself. : ) > > vjp > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:07 AM Sonia Gomes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you Venantius, it is just a small intervention. As I said small > > roadside shrines in our village are called Khuris, regardless of which > > saint is in the small niche. I think it is all over Salcete. Grotto is > very > > new and called grotto no translation! > > > > Warm wishes > > > > Sonia > > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 03:14, Venantius J Pinto < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Sonia, > > > Appreciate your intervention. All helps when done in grace. > > > vjp > > > > > > < > > > > > > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > > Virus-free. > > > www.avg.com > > > < > > > > > > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:21 PM Sonia Gomes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal), > > previously/ > > > > "copel." > > > > Kopal is the forehead! > > > > > > > > Chapel > Portuguese Capela > Capilla Spanish. > > > > > > > > There a large chapels too. For example Capela de Livramento Benaulim, > > In > > > > Benaulim most of the Chapels are large. > > > > Roadside chapels would be shrines, they are not Kopellam but Khuris. > > > > > > > > Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly Grotto in Konkani too. > > > > Gotto (the same word as for a cowshed, > > > > crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable). > > > > > > > > This is how it is in my part. > > > > > > > > Warm wishes > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 at 13:06, Venantius J Pinto < > > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Worth interacting with Vavraddeancho Ixtt, Pilar, or TSKK, > Porvorim! > > > > > > > > > > The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal), > > > previously/ > > > > > "copel." In the earlier orthography there was no "k," along with a > > > couple > > > > > of other letters. In any case Kopal is a first for me. Perhaps gone > > > under > > > > > my radar. Indeed, bring in the experts! There are many who have to > be > > > > > approached. > > > > > > > > > > Chapel > Portuguese, Capilla > Konkani Copel/ now Kopel. A chapel > > small > > > > as > > > > > it is, a smaller one would be an oratory but there is no specific > > > > dimension > > > > > other than what it is attached to, or whether it is stand alone on > > the > > > > > narrow village paths. now, roads or leading into villages. In Goa > > it's > > > > all > > > > > small > Just perhaps somewhere such distinctions are made. > > > > > > > > > > Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly gotto (the same word as for a > > > > cowshed, > > > > > crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable). Hopefully this will > inspire > > > > > someone to contribute from their largesse .... indeed, of > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > My mother always referred to the grotto at the OL of Dolors Church, > > > > Wadala, > > > > > as gotto. Very little education due to extenuating circumstances, > > yet, > > > > the > > > > > old gal knew a thing or two about words, as I do in other areas and > > > > > languages. She may have been wrong, and anyway passed away last > year > > > > > stumped short of 90. Loved my cribs and the backdrops I painted in > > the > > > > > smaller of the two spaces. Worlds lost, little worlds that assisted > > me > > > in > > > > > my visual magic. And proverbs abounded in our home. Yeah! > > > > > > > > > > An aside and tangential here: Very few words are directly cognate > > (Many > > > > > thousands from English into Spanish) - and many others sound close > > but > > > > mean > > > > > different. > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > Anyway! > > > > > > > > > > Venantius J Pinto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:25 PM Adolfo Mascarenhas < > > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I need help. I do not want to cross swords with the Clergy in > > > Goaland. > > > > > > The Clergy can have a big say about a Kopal .....the edifice can > > also > > > > be > > > > > > used to collect funds. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a great deal of difference between a Chapel or KOPAL and > > > what > > > > in > > > > > > English is called a Grotto .I have no idea what the Konkoni word > > is > > > > for > > > > > > GROTTO > > > > > > Even an individual family. ;like in .BRAZ VILLA, in Upanga Dar > es > > > > > Salaam, > > > > > > in the Garden the garden of the Dias family, they have built a > > > > Grotto. I > > > > > > have not heard that there was ever a Ladahin said ????. > > > > > > Stay Safe > > > > > > > > > > > > Grandolfo > > > > > > In Makongo Juu > > > > > > > > > > > > In Fatima ...Our Lady appeared in a dry land, a Grotto was built > > > > > > subsequently I think / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
