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Hi Gilbert
Please see interspersed responses. They are signalled as CORNEL (in
capitals).
Regards
Cornel
Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Cornel,
What you think I am saying, may not be what I think I am saying.:=)) And from
your perspective, I guess the reverse may be true. Let's not arg (argue) about
"reverse". My comments follow your thoughts below.
CORNEL: OK Won't argue with your riddle!
-------Earlier comments (CD)
CD: The only point I'd make is that the concept of a "liberal" is rather
different in the USA compared to the UK and that, there is also a difference in
the terminological use of the word "intellectual" across the pond and even
between the UK and mainland Europe.
GL: Please explain the "conceptual differences" in these various topics. Can I
expect this explanation before you get an explanation from the Goan padres?:=))
Do you think there may also be a "conceptual difference" about "Consensual Sex"
in the various parts of the world? Since you are so for "consensual sex", can I
propose that any Goan (male or female) who are victims of consensual sex (see
my post) should land at your door for help? Oops! you said the issue was only
theoretical.
CORNEL: As so often why do you get things so terribly wrong? I have provided
absolutely no comment on the question posed-- Is Consensual Sex OK?. Why do you
imagine I did? and then build a daft argument around the imagined view? You
need rigour my friend before arriving at your totally unjustifiable judgements.
Nevertheless, if I even inadvertently gave the impression of agreeing to
consensual sex, I'd like to see your evidence for this.
Are you suggesting the book "Take It Back" is not relevant / understandable in
UK? BTW, the authors derisively describe the Englishman Christopher Hitchens
(author of the recent book promoting atheism) as "presents himself as an
intellectual, then he becomes a professional Clinton-hater and now a loud
cheer-leader for Bush's war in Iraq."
CORNEL: I regret I do not know "Take it Back" but have come across references
to it in the media. It has been of no particular interest to me if Hitchens has
declared himself an intellectual or whatever. However, I am a wee bit puzzled
by your preoccupation with the concept of intellectual. I do not claim to be
one and have never done so. You had therefore raise your query with someone who
may be deemed to be an intellectual. My own position is similar to Gramsci's
view that we are all intellectuals by virtue of engaging in cerebral activity
at some time or the other. But he also says that we do not all engage in
activity as intellectuals. He then provides an excellent classification for
intellectuals which is followed up by other writers. It is quite some time
since I did substantial work on the role of intellectuals in society but I am
sure I have retained much of my material. I regret I haven't got the time to
focus on the concepts of liberals etc for now and how they
seem to differ across the pond and especially the difference between the UK
and the European Continent.
CD: However, may I draw your attention to a point you made a couple of times
but I really couldn't figure out what exactly you were articulating?
GL: Sorry I lost you here. I am trying to figure out what you "really couldn't
figure out." Yet thank you for not imitating some, who claim they do not
understand what I wrote. And then go on to explain what GL is saying.
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CD: It was something to do with your view that, I was using you at your
expense, and to my advantage or words to that effect. I requested you, twice I
think, to clarify what point you were making and wish to do so herewith again
please.
GL: Since one of your weakness is to archive posts,(:=)) you can send me the
post you are referring to. To the best of my knowledge, my bank account has not
been raided, so you have not used my expense account. (just kidding)
CORNEL: That I have a weakness for the archive is new to me. I am invariably
too lazy to have recourse to the Goanet archive but I do remember things people
have said in posts and then, if so inclined, may check the archive for
accuracy/confirmation.
Yet, I will save you the research efforts. Let me take this opportunity to
point to you that you are taking "advantage" / needling / baiting the kind
(bichara) Goan padres on the "Consensual Sex" issue. And to Monteiro, if a
priest cannot / does not use the Bible to validate his views, what else is he
going to base his opinion? - the writings in the London Daily Mirror or Playboy
Magazine? Perhaps you-two can team up to send them a year's subscription of
these two magazines. I bet the sancristaum will not refuse your offer.:=)) And
the padres may find some NEW / contemporary material on which to base their
sermaums. Do you think the Goan Christaums will be grateful to you for your
progressive thinking?:=))
CORNEL: I am afraid you are getting rather good at presenting convoluted
signals. I referred to the question of "Is Consensual Sex OK?" with the padres
for no other reason than because they were being rather smug in being
dismissive about the legitimate question on Goanet instead of presenting their
own moral view. I would rather they did not address the issue at all instead of
trying to be clever by half. Sadly, you agreed with them at one point although
elsewhere you did give your personal response to the question. Further, I was
NOT needling, baiting nor taking advantage of the padres on this issue and I'm
afraid, like so often, you are getting the wrong end of the stick. Also, I
have not responded to a Monteiro from Berkshire ever. It is a mystery to me how
you invariably get your knickers in a twist? Further, I neither read the Daily
Mirror nor Playboy and have no familiarity with them as I have better things to
do. However, I have noted that you seem to be pretty
familiar with them! Good for you! As to Fr Loiola, I'd rather he had the
courtesy to say he could not reply to my five questions to him on caste and the
Catholic Church than be totally mute on the matter.
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CD: I do this out of sheer curiosity if nothing else and I promise I will be
most gentle and courteous in any reply to you on this matter!
GL: Your English aura is being displayed. If you were a damsel, I would say
your lacy slip is showing.
CORNEL: How dated can you be Gilbert? Fashion has outdated lacy slips by and
large according to my women contacts! But maybe in the UK we are behind the
times compared to the USA on "lacy slips".
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CD: Finally re the point about your proverb, I regret I am neither a grammarian
nor someone with expertise in English literature even though I have helped lots
of indigenous UK students with their poor written English.
GL: Here you really sound like Professor Higgins in "My Fair Lady". Should I
make a trip to Broadway and see if they can put the above to music? Yet since I
have your undivided attention, (my nurse's favorite saying), can I seriously
ask the origin / explanation of the phrase "pointy-headed intellectual"? So
please do not duck this question, as you said you are a scholar - perhaps not
"pointy-headed".
CORNEL: I have never come across the term "pointy-headed intellectual"and so
I do not know what you are talking about. As to "My Fair Lady" I have seen the
play and film many times but prefer the original Pygmalion text instead. Yes, I
am an academic professionally and do engage in scholarly research work from
time to time. However, the most important thing I learned when I got my PhD
was how absolutely little I know and will continue to know in the vast world of
knowledge. I am therefore happy to leave your kind of observations (as above)
to someone like you who appears to know hell of a lot more than I do. That is,
I defer to your greater knowledge but would be ever so pleased if you first
checked exactly what people said before getting things so totally wrong and
then making entirely false attributions to them.
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On a lighter note, this is the time of Oktoberfest. One of our favorite places
is at Hunter Mountain, NY. As I was scanning the net for this site, I came
across the following blog from this chap, ... only to see my wife and my
picture in his blog - the photograph of the dance floor from last year. You and
others may like to read this guy's travel blog. If necessary, click the site
"Oktobterfest"
CORNEL: Will do so gladly when I have time to spare..
Gaulard.com Blog » Blog Archive » Oktoberfest at Hunter Mountain
Regards, Gilbert
------------ Gilbert Lawrence wrote:
Hi Cornel, I was expecting a response from you to this post. I felt likely you
would be correcting my proverb. The proverb below should read "One reaps what
one sows ... sooner or later."
