Hi John, Santosh is correct when he says "The following definitions ensure that almost everybody is a bigot." Note the word "hypocrite."
venantius > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:18:49 -0400 > From: "JOHN MONTEIRO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bigotry on goanet - and Miguel Braganza > > I guess this means the greatly admired & idolised artist Mr Husain is the > only living human being that is not a bigot then. > > Phew, that was close, I'd be damned if I could think of anyone who would be > classified as a non-bigot on this forum, until now. > > Could I be wrong? On this forum, surely! > > John Monteiro > > ------------------------------------------ > Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The following > definitions > ensure that almost everybody is a bigot. According to them every hypocrite > is a bigot. Faithful followers of all religions that regard only their own > teachings as unquestionably right, are bigots. Every pious individual who > does not follow the cafeteria approach is a bigot. So is a lout like me who > contends that all superstitious views and opinions are unreasonable. > Perhaps, the only person who would escape that branding is a highly > exceptional postmodernist and moral relativist, assuming that he/she has > carefully avoided being a hypocrite. Cheers, Santosh > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > Regards > John Monteiro > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:02:49 -0400 > From: "Augusto Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] The Mosque in Moira > To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Cheers Dears > By Augusto Pinto > > The Mosque in Moira > > > Dears, > > Do you like to tittle - tattle? > > No dears, you don't need to put on those solemn and pious faces and tell me > that you hate gossip and never listen to rumours. Of course you do. So do > I. > So does everyone else. There's no need to be ashamed about it. Rumours are > where you get the real masala about what's happening in the world, not the > government gazettes that masquerade as newspapers. > > And most of the time, the gossip that we listen to is dead right. Okay, > maybe here and there the details go a little awry. But by and large, what > we > get through the grapevine is fairly reliable. > > So why does gossip have a bad name? The reason is that when it does go > wrong > it can go spectacularly wrong. Like the time when an A. I. R. reporter > believed a rumour that the former Prime Minister of India Morarji Desai had > kicked the bucket and broadcast the news without double checking. There was > a furore when it came out that though the old urine drinker was doddering > in > his 90s - he was very much alive. > > The reason why I'm bringing up this matter is to tell you a real life > incident that occurred in my wise village of Moira. Some time ago there was > a ruckus about a mosque that was coming up in the village. The information > came up in an interesting way. A truck overloaded with stones took the > turn > at Luis's bar, but unfortunately its wheels went too close to the side of > the road, which couldn't bear the weight and crumbled. The truck overturned > and crashed into the house of poor Jose D'mello below, ruining his balcao. > > When the villagers asked the truck driver, who luckily escaped unhurt, > where > he was taking the stones he muttered something in Hindi about a mosque. > "Mosque? Where Mosque - they cried? There's no Mosque in Moira!" The > shocked > Moidekars went to investigate and found that the stones were being taken to > a site that hitherto was believed to be a private residence that was coming > up bang opposite the St. Sebastian chapel in Povoacao. > > All hell broke loose and a debate began to rage about the pros and cons of > the mosque. One very wise Moidekar thundered," We Moidekars will never > allow > a Mosque to come up in Moira.But natural..." This sentiment was echoed by > most of the villagers, both Hindu and Christian. There was dark mutterings > about how the public would be woken up early in the morning by the call of > the Azaan over the loudspeakers. > > However there were some dissenting voices. One Moidekar somewhat foolishly > opined aloud, "Why is it "but Natural" to deny Muslims the right to > practice their religion? If I mistake not the Constitution of India > guarantees such a right to all its citizens!!" He was greeted with angry > stares. > > Stories began to circulate about how arms would get stashed there and how > terrorists might hide there. People began to talk about how the muezzin's > call to prayer would wake the elderly and the babies, unmindful that the > big > Church bells and the temple music did that anyway. In the meanwhile the > Panchayat decided to act before things took an ugly turn and ordered the > construction to be halted pending investigation. This helped to cool > tempers > and after a while the matter was forgotten. > > A couple of months later while going on one of my walks that-a-ways with > my > big German Shepard Laskar, he stopped near the Povoacao chapel for a > sniff. > That's when I noticed that work at the alleged Mosque site was going on in > full swing.I asked myself, "What does this mean? Is a Mosque actually going > to come up here?" > > The mystery was resolved by my local barman Sada, who is the de facto Panch > member (our ward is reserved for women, and his wife won). > > It seems that when people questioned the truck driver, who happened to be a > Muslim, as to where he was taking the stones he replied in Hindi that he > was > taking them near the "Masjid". What he actually meant was that he was > taking > them to the place opposite the chapel - but not being a Goan, and not > knowing Konkani or at least the word for that Christian place of worship, > he > used the word "Masjid" > > So what might have resulted in a communal confrontation arose simply > because > the villagers didn't care to check their facts properly, and instead > preferred to rely on rumours and conjecture. > > Till next time then > > Cheers (ENDS) > > > ============================================================================== > The above article appeared in the June 25, 2008 edition of the Herald, Goa > under the title Relying On Rumours > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bigotry on goanet - and Miguel Braganza > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Rajan P. Parrikar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, > > what Miguel Braganza conveniently did not disclose are > > the circumstances that preceded that verbal spray. > > > -------------------------------------------- > Rajan, > I have no idea and of late only a marginal interest in who is spraying whom > in Goa. To the spectator's eye there seems to be a lot of spraying going on. > > Desai accused Miguel of being a religious bigot and that is not kosher. I > have never read anything remotely insensitive coming from Miguel's sprays. I > have written a lot of insensitive things aimed at every religion under the > sun but can't think what Miguel has written that can be construed as > bigotted. If there has been then let us have it presented as evidence. We > cannot invoke religious sentiments everyime our political ideologies > diverge. That is how communal tension begins in India and certainly on > goanet. > > regards, > selma > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:11:19 +0530 > From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] Bigotry on goanet - and Miguel Braganza > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > This message is in reply to Selma's (Elisabeth Carvalho) message No 2, > dated > Sunday 29th Jun 2008 written as reply to Dr. Anil Desai's message on above > subject. > > Selma writes while extending all the possible support to Miguel Braganza: - > > Miguel Braganza is NOT A BIGOT. He has to my knowledge never made and is > unlikely to make a statement that can be even remotely be construed as > offensive to religious sensitivities. Please be very,very careful about how > you brand people on this board. > > You needn't have given us the dictionary meaning of what a bigot is, > unfortunately we all know too well who bigots are. > > MY REPLY TO SELMA'S MESSAGE IS: > > Selma, please read what Miguel Braganza had written under subject titled: I > can't keep up with Goa's intrigues on Fri Jun 20 2008 along with my reply > to > him. > > Miguel Braganza had written - Manohar Parrikar ...He is an "addvo Bamonn" > affiliated to Partagal Mutt [not to be confused for "Portugal"] and so is a > Shiva worshipper. > > And my reply to that writing was: > > Goan Brahmin is broadly divided into two. One group is called Smarth (as > per > terminology used by you they are also called Addve Bamonn) who are > worshipers of Lord Shiva and are affiliated to Kavle Mutt. The other group > is called Vaishnav who are worshipers of Lord Vishnu and are affiliated to > Partagal Mutt. > > This being reality how come you say Manohar Parrikar is - Addvo Bamonn - > andyet you say that he is affiliated to Partagal Mutt! I think you will > have > to do some more research on above information provided by you before you > confuse Selma any further. > > NOW MY REPLY TO SELMA IS: > > So with the above proof provided to you still want to say that - He (Miguel > Braganza) has to my knowledge never made and is unlikely to make a > statement > that can be even remotely be construed as offensive to religious > sensitivities. Yes Selma, above writing of Miguel is of religious > sensitivity!! And both Hindu groups i.e. Smarth (Shiva worshiper) and > Vaishnav (Vishnu Worshiper)are equally disturbed. > > Therefore I feel what Dr. Anil Desai replied to Miguel under above subject > is appropriate and much disserved. Just don't take up for Miguel Braganza > when he is on wrong side. > > Secondly Dr. Anil Desai did good thing by providing dictionary meaning of > what Bigot is. > > Best regards, > Dr. U. G. Barad > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:19:24 +0400 > From: "[Edu's World]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] GOAN ROAST PORK WITH BASMATI PILAF > To: "edward lopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > *GOAN ROAST PORK WITH BASMATI PILAF* > > *Servings* > *Serves 8 to 10.* > > *Ingredients* > 6 pounds boneless pork loin with some fat > > Marinade: > 1 dried chili pepper, with seeds > 1 pasilla pepper, with seeds > 1/4 teaspoon peppercorns > 3 cloves > 1 teaspoon cumin seeds > 1/2 teaspoon turmeric > 1 3-inch cinnamon stick > 1 1/2-inch piece of ginger > 1 whole fresh green chili pepper, roasted over an open flame and peeled > (leave seeds in pepper) > 2 cups chopped cilantro leaves, washed very well and chopped > 8 cloves garlic > 5 tablespoons cider vinegar > 1/4 cup dark rum > 2 tablespoons salt > 1/2 teaspoon sugar > > Goan Basmati Pilaf: > 3 cups basmati rice, picked over, washed well, and soaked in lukewarm water > for 15 minutes > 1 chicken bouillon cube > 3 tablespoons canola oil > 1 cinnamon stick, broken into 3 or 4 pieces > 4 cloves > 2 bay leaves > 2 medium-size onions, finely minced > 3 plum tomatoes, cored and diced > Salt to taste > > *Cooking Instructions* > Grind the dried chili and pasilla peppers, peppercorns, cloves, cumin, > turmeric, and cinnamon stick in a spice or coffee grinder until fine. Place > the ginger, green chili, cilantro, garlic, vinegar, rum, salt, and sugar in > a blender, and pur?e. Add the ground spices, and pulse quickly. Rub the > mixture all over the pork loin, and allow to marinate for at least 12 hours > in the refrigerator. Remove the pork from refrigerator 2 hours before > cooking. > > Preheat oven to 325 degrees. Place the spice-rubbed pork loin on a rack set > in a roasting pan. Roast for approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes or until > internal temperature reaches 130 to 135 degrees on an instant-read > thermometer. Allow to rest for 20 minutes (temperature will rise another 10 > degrees). Slice, and serve with Goan basmati pilaf (instructions below). > > Drain the rice in a colander. Bring 5 cups water to a boil, add the > bouillon > cube, and allow it to dissolve. > > Heat the oil over medium heat in a large stewpot. When it starts to > shimmer, > add the cinnamon and cloves, and heat them until they become fragrant. Add > the bay leaves and onion, and saut? until onion becomes translucent. Add > the > drained rice, and cook over medium heat for 3 to 4 minutes more, stirring > constantly. Add the boiling bouillon and the tomatoes, and season with > salt. > Continue to cook, stirring occasionally and gently, until most of the > liquid > is absorbed, about 10 minutes. Cover, remove from heat, let stand for 15 to > 20 minutes, then stir gently with a roasting fork. > > > edu > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:57:27 +0000 (GMT) > From: JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Where in Goa is this? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Talking Photos: Where is this? > > All about roads, railways, trains, bridges, tanks etc > > To your right is this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2616287228/sizes/l/ > > This is to your left > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2615458853/sizes/l/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2616287518/sizes/l/ > > and this is from the over-bridge > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2616286614/sizes/l/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2623453485/sizes/l/ > > > Clues: > - Not a Konkan Railway Route > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > for Goa & NRI related info... > http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ > > For Goan Video Clips > http://youtube.com/joeukgoa > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now > at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:39:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: pramod kale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] NEWS: Indian newspapers fall for > baroque Nazi war criminal hoax > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Come on,let's have some fun and not leave it all to Brothers Reliance. > > > --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Goanet News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Goanet News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [Goanet-News] NEWS: Indian newspapers fall for baroque Nazi war > criminal hoax > > To: "Goanet" <[email protected]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 1:21 PM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > **** http://www.GOANET.org **** > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > South Asian Film Festival in Goa from Fri (June 27) to > > Mon (June 30) > > > > At Kala Academy, and ESG, Panaji, Goa > > > > > > > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/076384.html > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2008/06/30/indian-newspapers-fall-for-baroque-nazi-war-criminal-hoax/ > > > > June 30th, 2008 > > Indian newspapers fall for baroque Nazi war criminal hoax > > Post a comment (5) > > Posted by: Jonathan Allen > > Tags: Critical Eye, hoaxes, India, media > > > > You would think a press release about a German Nazi war > > criminal named > > Johann Bach being caught in the jungles of Goa after trying > > to sell a > > stolen 18th-century piano would be worth double-checking. > > > > A reconstruction of the head of 18th-century German > > composer Johann > > Sebastian Bach, who is not known to have visited > > Goa.Nonetheless, the > > press release has been regurgitated on the front pages of > > the Deccan > > Herald and the Indian Express and inside the Telegraph, > > citing Perus > > Narkp, "the intelligence wing of the Berlin-based > > German Chancellor's > > Core (sic)", as the source. > > > > Perus Narkp, a not especially Germanic name, is an anagram > > of "Super Prank". > > > > The organisation's motto, printed at the top of the > > press release, is > > "Eht rea enp cabk skripc" ? clearly not the > > language of Goethe or > > Virgil, but another anagram: "The Pen Pricks are > > back". > > > > The Pen Pricks, who run a blog skewering the Goan press, > > promised > > readers on Sunday they were about to break a "big, > > Big, BIg, BIG" > > story. It looks like they succeeded. Still, it should not > > take > > pranksters to remind us that gullibility is a dangerous > > flaw in > > journalism. > > > > It takes Google only 0.13 seconds to establish that the > > Marsha Tikash > > Whanaab concentration camp at which Bach was apparently > > posted does > > not exist. The Express reporter, at least, telephoned the > > German > > embassy and Indian police for comment. The fact they had no > > idea what > > the reporter was talking about did not deter publication. > > Only the > > Times of India gave even a hint that it smelt something > > fishy, but ran > > a story all the same. > > > > (I don't want to seem like I'm recklessly throwing > > stones in a glass > > house: no organisation is immune to occasional lapses in > > journalistic > > perfection, as readers of the Reuters' blog Good, Bad, > > and Ugly may be > > aware.) > > > > I asked Ramakrishna Upadhya, a senior editor at the Deccan > > Herald, > > what might have gone wrong. > > > > "We all believed that it was real because it had so > > many details," he > > said about the press release. "They should have been > > cross-checked," > > he added. > > > > He said he is investigating what happened, and that the > > paper will run > > a correction if necessary. > > > > An official at the German embassy in New Delhi very > > politely said they > > were looking into what happened but considered it too soon > > to declare > > it a hoax. > > > > I have tried to e-mail the Pen Pricks. I'll let you > > know if I get any response. > > > > Hopefully this was a singular blip and from now on we can > > once again > > believe every word we read in the press. > > > > ENDS > > > > > > End of Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 808 > ************************************** >
