2. S.M. Borges became the member of the editorial board of Gulab GULAB
Konkani monthly from 2005. Fausto V. da Costa is the editor.
S.M.Borges name is printed as "Prof. S.M.Borges" under the section
Editorial Board in the years 2005 to 2007 and in January and February
of 2008. It is also found in articles in Gulab of October 2006 page
13. Jun 2008 pp 8 and 9.
3. The Goan Review, a Konkani and English bi-monthly, is published
from Mumbai. Fausto da Costa is the editor and publisher. S.M.Borges
writes regularly for this periodical. He has written his name as
"Prof. S.M.Borges" in his articles. Let me give reference to a few
only
May-June 2005 p.10 , July-August 2005 p. 8 , September-October 2005 p.
8 , November-December 2005 p. 8 , January-February 2006 p. 8 ,
March-April 2006 p. 22 and May-Jun 2006 p.22
Let readers decide whether Prof. Borges could be trusted for what he
writes on periodicals and on the internet. If he so convinced that
Devnagari is the natural script of Konkani then let him write Konkani
only in his 'natural' script and stop immediately to write Konkani in
Roman script (foreign, unnatural, according to him). He was immersed
in his study of stones and totally unknown to the Konkani world till
2004. He began to write in Konkani and about Konkani from the year
2004. After the death of Fr. Freddy da Costa he was given prominence
in Gulab and the Goan Review by their editor Fausto da Costa, the
brother of Fr. Freddy.
Sotachench zoit zatollem!
Mog asundi.
Miguel
> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 03:04:49 +0530
From: Sebastian Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fausto dacosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:02:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Glimpses of Konknni
Subject: [Goanet] Sebastian Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Glimpses
of Konknni
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dear friends,
The article, "Glimpses of Konknni in Roman script" by Fr. Pratap Naik,
though sketchy, is fairly truthful.
hide the fact that not a single Konkani book in Roman script was printed
between 1660 and 1890 any where in the world? And also that no
Konkani book was printed in Goa even between 1890 and 1928? I
hereby challenge Fr.Pratap Naik to prove me wrong on this count; and
this is not the first
time I am throwing this challenge.
Fr. Naik also exploded his own pet myth: that Devanagari script is of
the Hindus whilst Roman script is of the Roman Catholics. He now
proves what I have been consistently stressing; that when it comes to
using Devanagari for writing / teaching Konkani, it is Catholic Goans
who have led the way and the Hindus, including Saraswats, followed
much later. To the evidence adduced by Fr. Naik, one could add the
following: in 1926, Francisco Pedro Borges wrote a Konkani
(Devanagari) religious book of 198 pages entitled "Kristanv
Bhavartheacho dispott'tto sangati;" this was printed in Khanapur.
At the threshold of the twentieth century, a matriculate (equivalent
to XI passed) Shenoy Goembab, in his twenties/thirties, published some
Konkani translations in Roman script. And this is held against him.
Some ignoramuses also think that this is a revelation, little
realizing that the info is found in my translation of Shenoy Goembab's
biography. I would be very happy to receive clarifications on the above
points.
Sotachench Zoit Zatolem.
Sebastian Borges
Dear "Prof." Sebastiao Mariano Borges,
For a retired lecturer who prefixed his name with a "Prof." for a
decade while using the signature ending
"Sotachench Zoit Zatolem.
Sebastian Borges"
credibility cannot be ...and is not.... an issue!
For a person who roared that the Devangari edition of Mr. Lourdinho
Rodrigues's book "Mahabharot" was a pirated version, wand then could
only dig up the late Confusius Cardoz's article in the GULAB as proof
of a non-starter, throwing challenges is easy.
Did Shenoi Goybab do his PH.D. in Konkani or Linguistics between the
time he wrote his first dozen [or fourteen] publications in Roman
Script before migrating to the holy Devanagri script?
Was Matricula Std. XI or Std. VII during the relevant period of Shenoi
Goybab, the doyen of the Devanagri ...posthumously?
Can the good "Prof." Borges produce any evidence where Fr. Pratap Naik
SJ has said "Devanagari script is of the Hindus whilst Roman script is
of the Roman Catholics" as claimed by the Prof. Why is the Prof.
tripping over his own imagination?
Is the good Prof. S.M. Borges willing to swear an affidavit before a
Notary to state that "not a single Konkani book in Roman script was
printed
between 1660 and 1890 any where in the world? And also that no
Konkani book was printed in Goa even between 1890 and 1928? " as
alleged by him? I am willing to take him on his challenge with
evidence to the contrary. It exists.
If the good "Prof." knows about stones and sand, let him remain in his
field ... till he learns to read before he writes figments of his
imagination as truth. That does not even sell to a village ignoramus
.... even when it comes from a brahmin's mouth. Just growing a grey
beard does not give one wisdom. It is the grey cells INSIDE the
cranium that matter! ;-)
Mog asundi.
Miguel
On 9/9/08, J. Colaco < jc> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[A]
Sebastian Borges wrote: not a single Konkani book in Roman script was
printed between 1660 and 1890 any where in the world? And also that
no Konkani book was printed in Goa even between 1890 and 1928? I
hereby challenge Fr.Pratap Naik to prove me wrong on this count; and
this is not the first time I am throwing this challenge.
Miguel Braganza responded: Is the good Prof. S.M. Borges willing to
swear an affidavit before a Notary to state that "not a single Konkani
book in Roman script was printed between 1660 and 1890 any where in
the world? And also that no Konkani book was printed in Goa even
between 1890 and 1928? " as alleged by him? I am willing to take him
on his challenge with evidence to the contrary. It exists.
JC's response: Dear Miguelbab, I have two problems with the above.
Firstly, Prof. S.M. Borges has not challenged Miguel Braganza. He has
challenged Fr.Pratap Naik to prove him wrong. Just because you have
the actual facts does not mean that others are not entitled to their
own manufactured facts. Have you not heard of gene-modification (GM)
in agriculture? So - what is wrong with a little fact modification
(FM) in debates? Politicians and their operatives do it all the time.
Do they not?
Secondly, Prof. S.M. Borges has not advised us what he will undertake
to do IF he is proven wrong. This is a one-sided Borgesian challenge.
Now, here is my Borgesian challenge [1] to Prof. S.M. Borges: Prove
that the language you purport to speak and write, is Konkani.
[B]
Sebastian Borges wrote: Fr. Naik also exploded his own pet myth: that
Devanagari script is of the Hindus whilst Roman script is of the Roman
Catholics.
Miguel Braganza responded: Can the good Prof. Borges produce any
evidence where Fr. Pratap Naik SJ has SAID "Devanagari script is of
the Hindus whilst Roman script is of the Roman Catholics" as claimed
by the Prof. Why is the Prof. tripping over his own imagination?
JC's response: Dear Miguelbab, I do not believe that Sebastian Borges
wrote anywhere that Fr. Naik SAID that. He only wrote that it is his
PET MYTH.
I have many PET NON-MYTHS ....here is one: We as a people have allowed
such matters to divide us while our land is being ripped off its
resources by people who think that we are spectacularly stupid. We
expend all this energy on Devanagri and Romi script for a supposed
Konkani language which is NOT the Konkani language we generally
speak....nor spoke.
We decapitated the Portuguese words which were part of our language
and added Sanskrit or Marathi words which were NOT part of our
language. We were told that THIS is the only way we should speak and
write our language.
It appears that Language was developed first, and then we Goans learnt
to speak, and that Konkani was NOT meant to be living language which
assimilated influences that time brings (or brought) along.
No wonder we speak another colonial language i.e. English!
Here is my Borgesian challenge [2] to Prof. S.M. Borges: Prove that
Sanskrit is NOT a colonial language.
While I await the good Prof. Borges' response to Miguel's gauntlet (I
expect him to treat my Borgesian challenges with the contempt they
deserve), I invite us to listen to this piece of music. Do please pay
attention to the various instruments and, if you have the time, tell
us if it reminds you of anything:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRz3aJE4tS0
much love
jc
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