I point out below statements and insinuations that have no basis in fact:

--- On Sun, 5/31/09, Gilbert Lawrence <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Some refuse to accept the effect of 'mind over body'
> which the author, a neuro-scientist is presenting.
>  

The above statement is entirely false. None of the authors of the latest 
acupuncture study cited in the Newsweek article is a neuroscientist. The first 
author is a statistician and an epidemiologist. The last author is a professor 
of family medicine. Others are internists, epidemiologists, nurses, behavior 
biologists and biostatisticians. 

This paper, which I have read (which even a perceptive non-medical person like 
Mario would be able to understand), says nothing about "mind over body". It 
simply considers cases wherein people chronically complain about back pain 
without there being any serious medical cause for it (patients with medical 
causes such as cancer, spinal stenosis, etc were excluded), and concludes the 
following merely based on computer-assisted telephonic interviews:

1. That poking with toothpicks on the body to fool the patients that they are 
receiving acupuncture treatment is as effective as real acupuncture in making 
the patients answer certain computerized telephonic questions to indicate that 
they feel better.

2. That the fake poking procedure as well as real acupuncture were better than 
whatever else the patients were doing, which could be random things such as 
self-medication, taking unspecified pills prescribed by physicians belonging to 
unspecified disciplines and systems of medicine, physical therapy or nothing at 
all.

3. That it is unlikely that the benefits provided by acupuncture have anything 
to do with any specific mechanism claimed by Chinese medicine. Because they can 
be duplicated by a counterfeit poking procedure manufactured only for the 
purpose of this study, the effect appears to be due to nonspecific and 
psychological reasons. In other words, there is nothing special or unique about 
acupuncture.

Even an astute lay person will be able to figure out the problems with this 
study. In addition to the reliance on self-reports through computerized 
telephonic interviews to assess outcomes, the lack of a proper comparison with 
a group of patients that is deliberately and uniformly treated with some 
standard form of conventional treatment should make this study inconclusive, in 
terms of the net effectiveness of random poking over conventional therapy for 
these ill-defined chronic complaints of low back pain.

>
> The issue becomes: Does the 'scientific doctor' prescribe
> the "proven / accepted standard of care" for chronic low
> backache, which provided LESS benefit (39 percent) than
> acupuncture (60 percent)? This has been PROVEN  by THIS
> SCIENTIFIC STUDY.  
>

This study does not do what is claimed above. As I have pointed out, the 
comparison group that had an outcome of 39% did not have anything to do with 
"proven/accepted standard of care". It consisted of a hodge-podge of 
individuals who had very little in common with each other in terms of the 
treatment they took or did not take. No uniform standard conventional treatment 
was provided to any group of patients in this study.

>
>In the  practice of allopathy, often we prescribe "empirical treatment", 
>>which is based on teaching and experience of the practitioner (and
> rightly so). 
>

I hope the term empirical treatment is used in its right sense above, which is 
treatment that is based on objective observational evidence, confirmed by 
individual and collective experience. No competent and ethical conventional 
physician ever prescribes any drug that is not tested for efficacy and safety, 
and approved by the FDA. Indeed, in most cases (and in all cases where this is 
possible), no such physician ever prescribes anything that does not have a 
well-established scientific rationale in terms of its pharmacology.

>
>So I would give the same latitude to a non-allopathy doctor, (without >using 
>words like deception) who advice their patients what in their >opinion and 
>experience works, guarding their own reputation and deep
> sincere desire to help a patient who has entrusted their care (life) in 
> >their hands. 
>

Giving the same latitude as above requires that their medications be tested for 
efficacy and safety by others, and be approved by a regulatory agency for its 
intended use. Otherwise, the difference between the latitudes would be poles 
apart. Moreover, anybody can claim that in his experience something works, or 
that he has read it in a book written 200 or 3000 years ago. There are plenty 
of conventional as well as alternative quacks who deceive people in this 
manner. The general public ought to be made aware of this deception.

Cheers,

Santosh




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