Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[email protected]>
Indeed, with regard to publicly supported academic research, anybody can independently try to replicate each and every scientific result because all methods and data are freely available to the public, as in the case of climate research. As Marlon pointed out, no important result remains unchallenged by others. In fact, there is a veritable rat race to find fault with the latest finding. Being a competitor and peer reviewer myself, I know how rigorous and adversarial the entire process is. Mario responds: This discussion has devolved into a boat load of red herrings. I agree with Santosh as a generality, but not in the climate change arena. We know from the emails disclosed by the whistleblower at East Anglia College that important climate raw data was destroyed, other data was withheld from scientists outside the orthodox group of like-minded scientists, there were threats that data would be destroyed if forced to be disclosed, and scientists with opposing views were obstructed at every turn. The dissent to the politically motivated orthodoxy is growing, as it should, because the orthodoxy makes little intuitive sense and because of the serious policy consequences for the western economies that drive the world economy. While Marlon is simply an amateur observer with a biased point of view, as a scientist and peer reviewer you should be condemning these nefarious practices instead of putting a happy face on and repeatedly telling us what most science and scientists are like. That deflects attention from this specific area of science and the emerging FACTS of how these climate scientists and their sponsors like Rajendra Pachauri and Al Gore have been operating. Goanetters look to you to be objective, and I don't think you have been in this area, which is not your area of expertise, with all due respect. Santosh wrote: Moreover, no fraudulent result can ever lead to a technology that works. If Wright brothers had fabricated their results, planes would never have flown. So no matter how many Google searches Gabriel does, the very fact that Google searches work in the first place is a testament to the unassailable truth and significance of the scientific findings that have gone through the wringer of peer review and replication by competitors. Mario responds: I don't see what is working so well. The climate change plane has crashed and burned, and the extreme environmentalists are reduced to un-scientific observations about "warmest years" and "warmest decade" to cover up the fact that the trend in global warming has been sideways at best since 1998, whereas their predictions was for sharp increases in global warming. What we are seeing from recent disclosures are biased scientists and IPCC administrators desperate to maintain their point of view, climate models that have been wrong for an entire decade and other planets experiencing global warming without any humans to blame. In the meantime we see trace quantities of man-made CO2 being blamed for global warming on Earth, demands that predictions by models that have failed be believed and used to make economic policy, and demands that only the western economies be throttled back to emission levels that predated the industrial age on a per capita basis. Regarding the continuing claims of rising sea levels here is a news report of the opinion of one of the foremost scientists in the world on sea levels: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html Excerpt: But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel_M%C3%B6rner Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co. could not possibly come about. [end of excerpt]
