> then labeling someone's thread as "bullying" (a pretty serious charge in todays climate).
Well now the target of the latest witch-hunt /u/gernest_ has responded on /r/golang, the previous thread that I linked I quote "broke his heart" , so you can't deny something is definitely wrong here : https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5b2j38/what_is_idiomatic_go/ > After the WTF moment. I calmed down and just realized what few innocent words can do. They broke my heart. > I'm confused, and definitely heart broken. AFAIK the original thread is still up on /r/golang , how long is the go community going to allow this kind of things ? Le vendredi 4 novembre 2016 06:49:07 UTC+1, andrewc...@gmail.com a écrit : > > I would also like to point out the extreme hypocrisy of saying Aram's > comment is "unnecessary and insensitive" then labeling someone's thread as > "bullying" (a pretty serious charge in todays climate). Both of which I > would consider worse insults than saying someone has bad English. If i was > on the censorship panel I would almost certainly issue you a warning for > those. > > On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 6:03:53 PM UTC+13, prade...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> That's not up to you to judge if some comment is "harmless" or not. >> Because you're not the person the comment has been directed at. Something >> that might seem "harmless" to you might be perceived as insulting to >> someone else. Aram's comment was unnecessary and insensitive to say the >> least, it doesn't matter if he is an important contributor to Go or not. If >> they are rules they apply to everybody equally or they don't, that's what >> rules are for. Frankly Sarah shouldn't have apologized for anything, she >> did exactly what she was supposed to do in this case. It doesn't matter how >> sizable Aram's contribution is, it doesn't preclude him from showing a >> little bit of respect. >> >> Right now /r/golang is engaged in yet another bullying campaign against >> another individual on this thread : >> >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5ayvws/github_stars_are_no_more_a_valid_metric_for/ >> >> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fgolang%2Fcomments%2F5ayvws%2Fgithub_stars_are_no_more_a_valid_metric_for%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGHN8paFXPhQinNGM31RbPhuy63mA> >> >> (archived here : http://archive.is/znqJg ) >> >> Just because that person has written "a non idiomatic framework" .? >> >> Someone is being labelled at "a marketer with a crappy product" . Is it >> what moderators here call "a respectful environment" ? the thread is still >> up as we speak. This has happened before with Martini, then Iris , now >> utron. That's how the go community wants to grow ? >> >> >> >> >> Le jeudi 3 novembre 2016 01:38:43 UTC+1, Paul a écrit : >>> >>> I just discovered this thread. I used to be an avid reader of >>> Golang-nuts mailing list, also of Golang-dev and I am in disbelief at what >>> it has come to recently. >>> >>> Aram Hăvărneanu is a very important contributor to the Go Language >>> Project, I feel embarrased on behalf of the of the Go Language Project >>> about how he has been treated. This is not OK, and this needs to be very >>> clearly stated. >>> >>> This overreaction of your "code of conduct" moderator is beyond >>> rediculous, to Arams very harmless statement about someones english >>> language skills. I mean come on ... Arams sentence is so non-lethal and >>> tame that it is mind boggling that he should find such alienating >>> reproachment to me. Especially after all of his valuable contributions. >>> That it happened because of something he said on Redit just makes it so >>> much worse. >>> >>> If you should loose (and it looks like you have) such an important >>> contributor because of your nonsensical and rediculous COC moderation >>> system, then this system of yours has just completely and utterly failed >>> and it should be abandoned immediately till a more suitable solution can be >>> found. It will not do that someone who is obviously not engaged enough or >>> mature enough to excersize proper human judgement and care in such a >>> situation is left to cause such harm as this. And thats my opinion, now you >>> can ban me from your list for saying that if you want to. >>> >>> p.s >>> Just to put things into perspective, I find Linus Torvalds exercise of >>> freedom of speech utterly refreshing by comparison (and significantly more >>> edgy), its such a breath of fresh air compared to what you are doing here. >>> And Linus gets results as you all know, just remember his action against >>> Nvidia and the waves it created. I am still chuckling about it even today. >>> I know some very delicate personality's will disagree with me on this, but >>> maybe they are in the wrong business to begin with. Software developement >>> has never been for the faint hearted. >>> >>> Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:36:23 PM UTC+2, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: >>>> >>>> I have received a very insulting and distressing e-mail from Sarah >>>> Adams, who claims to represent the The Go Code of Conduct Team, an >>>> illicit bully organization who claims authority about what Go >>>> contributors think and say outside the Go mailing lists. I do not >>>> recognize this group's legitimacy in these matters. >>>> >>>> The e-mail says: >>>> >>>> We received a report about your comment on this thread >>>> >>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57w79c/why_you_really_should_stop_using_iris/d8wdynd >>>> : >>>> "Their English was so bad I couldn't understand what was >>>> going on". >>>> >>>> This comment goes against our community Code of Conduct, >>>> https://golang.org/conduct. The comment is not respectful, >>>> and would have been more productive just as, "I couldn't >>>> understand what was going on". >>>> >>>> Please consider this a warning from the Code of Conduct >>>> working group. >>>> >>>> Some more context is necessary. There is someone in the Go community >>>> who literally steals other people's code, receives money for it, >>>> and actively tries to covers his tracks. >>>> >>>> A person named Florin Pățan provided an overview: >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> http://www.florinpatan.ro/2016/10/why-you-should-not-use-iris-for-your-go.html >>>> >>>> which has been discussed on reddit: >>>> >>>> [2] >>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57tmp1/why_you_should_not_use_iris_for_your_go_projects >>>> . >>>> >>>> Reddit also discussed this thief's action in another thread: >>>> >>>> [3] >>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57w79c/why_you_really_should_stop_using_iris/ >>>> >>>> I have archived these documents here: >>>> >>>> [1] http://archive.is/9oN1A >>>> [2] http://archive.is/Q36G5 >>>> [3] http://archive.is/aSFUg >>>> >>>> The comment in question refers to this GitHub issue, also archived: >>>> >>>> [4] https://github.com/avelino/awesome-go/pull/1137 >>>> [4] http://archive.is/7xgc7 >>>> >>>> Now take a look at what I said, and what Sarah Adams in her >>>> infinite arrogance suggests I should have said: >>>> >>>> Aram: Their English was so bad I couldn't understand what >>>> was going on >>>> >>>> Sarah: I couldn't understand what was going on >>>> >>>> If you compare these two phrases: you can see that the problem Sarah >>>> Adams has is with "their English was so bad". >>>> >>>> In other words, Sarah's problem is with speaking the objective >>>> *TRUTH*. >>>> >>>> Whether someone speaks good or bad English is an objective fact >>>> easily determined by anyone who speaks English at some level of >>>> proficiency. I encourage all English speakers to take a look at [4] >>>> and do an individual assessment of the level of proficiency in English >>>> those sock puppets possess. >>>> >>>> I will not be policed around for telling the *TRUTH*. I will not >>>> be silenced into political compliance. I will not tolerate other >>>> people who tell me what is acceptable to say, especially when these >>>> people only want to hide the *OBJECTIVE TRUTH*. >>>> >>>> The comment is not respectful >>>> >>>> Damn right it wasn't. You or your organization has no authority >>>> mandating how respectful my speech is. What level of arrogance. >>>> >>>> However, it was not disrespectful. It was an objective assessment >>>> of an *infractor's* level of English competence. >>>> >>>> I owe nobody respect. Certainly not someone who breaks the law and >>>> steals other people's intellectual property. Respect is earned. >>>> >>>> and would have been more productive just as >>>> >>>> Ah, yes, here you can see in action the new-age practice of corporate >>>> double speak applied to open source projects. This is not Google. >>>> You are not fooling me or anyone else who still has a grain of >>>> independent thought left. >>>> >>>> This is a pathetic and disgusting attempt of silencing independent >>>> contributors who still refuse to kneel after your coup d'état in >>>> which you managed to replace the Go technical governance with a >>>> thought police political organization vassal to Google. >>>> >>>> In some sense, you have succeeded. I will never yield to you, you >>>> can never silence me, but you certainly made me realise that my >>>> association with the Go project is a mistake and a liability. I do >>>> not want to be associated with your organization, even accidentally. >>>> When I contribute to Go, I only make you people stronger. In fact, >>>> this is your modus operandi; you rely on people who do the actual >>>> technical work (either as part of the Go team, or as contributors) >>>> in order to gain more support for your cause. To gain legitimacy. >>>> To claim authority. >>>> >>>> I cannot remove the code I have contributed to the Go project over >>>> the years, but I can certainly stop contributing as an individual >>>> in the future. I will make sure, best of my ability, that any >>>> competent individual or organization who is evaluating Go is made >>>> aware of who is actually pulling the strings here, and what they >>>> are getting into. >>>> >>>> Stalking people online for thought crimes! This is what the Go >>>> project has succumbed to! And newcomers need to be aware of that. >>>> >>>> You are luring people with technical arguments and weed them with >>>> political correctness. Your propaganda machine is strong, but not >>>> infallible. Just like all good propaganda, you rely on a majority >>>> of true facts to hide you agenda and falsehoods. Yes, your technical >>>> preaching is truthful, and that is the best disguise for your dark >>>> agenda of manipulation, control and deceit. >>>> >>>> But you are not fooling everyone, you are not fooling me. I will >>>> not be controlled by a neo-puritan organization. >>>> >>>> If there's anyone left who still has the power and courage to say >>>> no to these bullies, consider who you should prosecute: >>>> >>>> 1) a thief who makes money from stolen intellectual >>>> property >>>> 2) someone who realized the thief's command of the >>>> English language is so poor, he cannot be understood. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> PS: I suspect it's the thief himself who reported me to your >>>> organization, and because your extrajudicial court works so well, >>>> you have managed to sentence the wrong person. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Aram Hăvărneanu >>>> Go contributor >>>> Not a thief >>>> Critical thinker >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
