All I see here is nothing is done to moderate /r/golang despite threads being reported for harassment. What good is a code of conduct if it isn't enforced ? and when enforced , moderators have to come here to apologize for doing their jobs, like Sarah ? If you don't want me to bring /r/golang here, then do something about /r/golang because what is happening there is an embarrassment to the go community.
Le vendredi 4 novembre 2016 14:21:24 UTC+1, Thomas Bushnell, BSG a écrit : > > This list doesn't need to be a place to copy /r/ to. Please refrain from > public denunciations and speak privately with those you wish, and... Follow > the code of conduct if you believe a more formal response is called for. > > Thomas > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016, 6:17 AM <prade...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> > then labeling someone's thread as "bullying" (a pretty serious charge >> in todays climate). >> >> Well now the target of the latest witch-hunt /u/gernest_ has responded >> on /r/golang, the previous thread that I linked I quote "broke his heart" , >> so you can't deny something is definitely wrong here : >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5b2j38/what_is_idiomatic_go/ >> >> > After the WTF moment. I calmed down and just realized what few innocent >> words can do. They broke my heart. >> >> > I'm confused, and definitely heart broken. >> >> AFAIK the original thread is still up on /r/golang , how long is the go >> community going to allow this kind of things ? >> >> >> >> Le vendredi 4 novembre 2016 06:49:07 UTC+1, andrewc...@gmail.com a >> écrit : >>> >>> I would also like to point out the extreme hypocrisy of saying Aram's >>> comment is "unnecessary and insensitive" then labeling someone's thread as >>> "bullying" (a pretty serious charge in todays climate). Both of which I >>> would consider worse insults than saying someone has bad English. If i was >>> on the censorship panel I would almost certainly issue you a warning for >>> those. >>> >>> On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 6:03:53 PM UTC+13, prade...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That's not up to you to judge if some comment is "harmless" or not. >>>> Because you're not the person the comment has been directed at. Something >>>> that might seem "harmless" to you might be perceived as insulting to >>>> someone else. Aram's comment was unnecessary and insensitive to say the >>>> least, it doesn't matter if he is an important contributor to Go or not. >>>> If >>>> they are rules they apply to everybody equally or they don't, that's what >>>> rules are for. Frankly Sarah shouldn't have apologized for anything, she >>>> did exactly what she was supposed to do in this case. It doesn't matter >>>> how >>>> sizable Aram's contribution is, it doesn't preclude him from showing a >>>> little bit of respect. >>>> >>>> Right now /r/golang is engaged in yet another bullying campaign against >>>> another individual on this thread : >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5ayvws/github_stars_are_no_more_a_valid_metric_for/ >>>> >>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fgolang%2Fcomments%2F5ayvws%2Fgithub_stars_are_no_more_a_valid_metric_for%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGHN8paFXPhQinNGM31RbPhuy63mA> >>>> >>>> (archived here : http://archive.is/znqJg ) >>>> >>>> Just because that person has written "a non idiomatic framework" .? >>>> >>>> Someone is being labelled at "a marketer with a crappy product" . Is it >>>> what moderators here call "a respectful environment" ? the thread is still >>>> up as we speak. This has happened before with Martini, then Iris , now >>>> utron. That's how the go community wants to grow ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le jeudi 3 novembre 2016 01:38:43 UTC+1, Paul a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> I just discovered this thread. I used to be an avid reader of >>>>> Golang-nuts mailing list, also of Golang-dev and I am in disbelief at >>>>> what >>>>> it has come to recently. >>>>> >>>>> Aram Hăvărneanu is a very important contributor to the Go Language >>>>> Project, I feel embarrased on behalf of the of the Go Language Project >>>>> about how he has been treated. This is not OK, and this needs to be very >>>>> clearly stated. >>>>> >>>>> This overreaction of your "code of conduct" moderator is beyond >>>>> rediculous, to Arams very harmless statement about someones english >>>>> language skills. I mean come on ... Arams sentence is so non-lethal and >>>>> tame that it is mind boggling that he should find such alienating >>>>> reproachment to me. Especially after all of his valuable contributions. >>>>> That it happened because of something he said on Redit just makes it so >>>>> much worse. >>>>> >>>>> If you should loose (and it looks like you have) such an important >>>>> contributor because of your nonsensical and rediculous COC moderation >>>>> system, then this system of yours has just completely and utterly failed >>>>> and it should be abandoned immediately till a more suitable solution can >>>>> be >>>>> found. It will not do that someone who is obviously not engaged enough >>>>> or >>>>> mature enough to excersize proper human judgement and care in such a >>>>> situation is left to cause such harm as this. And thats my opinion, now >>>>> you >>>>> can ban me from your list for saying that if you want to. >>>>> >>>>> p.s >>>>> Just to put things into perspective, I find Linus Torvalds exercise of >>>>> freedom of speech utterly refreshing by comparison (and significantly >>>>> more >>>>> edgy), its such a breath of fresh air compared to what you are doing >>>>> here. >>>>> And Linus gets results as you all know, just remember his action against >>>>> Nvidia and the waves it created. I am still chuckling about it even >>>>> today. >>>>> I know some very delicate personality's will disagree with me on this, >>>>> but >>>>> maybe they are in the wrong business to begin with. Software developement >>>>> has never been for the faint hearted. >>>>> >>>>> Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:36:23 PM UTC+2, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have received a very insulting and distressing e-mail from Sarah >>>>>> Adams, who claims to represent the The Go Code of Conduct Team, an >>>>>> illicit bully organization who claims authority about what Go >>>>>> contributors think and say outside the Go mailing lists. I do not >>>>>> recognize this group's legitimacy in these matters. >>>>>> >>>>>> The e-mail says: >>>>>> >>>>>> We received a report about your comment on this thread >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57w79c/why_you_really_should_stop_using_iris/d8wdynd >>>>>> : >>>>>> "Their English was so bad I couldn't understand what was >>>>>> going on". >>>>>> >>>>>> This comment goes against our community Code of Conduct, >>>>>> https://golang.org/conduct. The comment is not respectful, >>>>>> and would have been more productive just as, "I couldn't >>>>>> understand what was going on". >>>>>> >>>>>> Please consider this a warning from the Code of Conduct >>>>>> working group. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some more context is necessary. There is someone in the Go community >>>>>> who literally steals other people's code, receives money for it, >>>>>> and actively tries to covers his tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> A person named Florin Pățan provided an overview: >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>> http://www.florinpatan.ro/2016/10/why-you-should-not-use-iris-for-your-go.html >>>>>> >>>>>> which has been discussed on reddit: >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] >>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57tmp1/why_you_should_not_use_iris_for_your_go_projects >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> Reddit also discussed this thief's action in another thread: >>>>>> >>>>>> [3] >>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57w79c/why_you_really_should_stop_using_iris/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I have archived these documents here: >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://archive.is/9oN1A >>>>>> [2] http://archive.is/Q36G5 >>>>>> [3] http://archive.is/aSFUg >>>>>> >>>>>> The comment in question refers to this GitHub issue, also archived: >>>>>> >>>>>> [4] https://github.com/avelino/awesome-go/pull/1137 >>>>>> [4] http://archive.is/7xgc7 >>>>>> >>>>>> Now take a look at what I said, and what Sarah Adams in her >>>>>> infinite arrogance suggests I should have said: >>>>>> >>>>>> Aram: Their English was so bad I couldn't understand what >>>>>> was going on >>>>>> >>>>>> Sarah: I couldn't understand what was going on >>>>>> >>>>>> If you compare these two phrases: you can see that the problem Sarah >>>>>> Adams has is with "their English was so bad". >>>>>> >>>>>> In other words, Sarah's problem is with speaking the objective >>>>>> *TRUTH*. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whether someone speaks good or bad English is an objective fact >>>>>> easily determined by anyone who speaks English at some level of >>>>>> proficiency. I encourage all English speakers to take a look at [4] >>>>>> and do an individual assessment of the level of proficiency in English >>>>>> those sock puppets possess. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will not be policed around for telling the *TRUTH*. I will not >>>>>> be silenced into political compliance. I will not tolerate other >>>>>> people who tell me what is acceptable to say, especially when these >>>>>> people only want to hide the *OBJECTIVE TRUTH*. >>>>>> >>>>>> The comment is not respectful >>>>>> >>>>>> Damn right it wasn't. You or your organization has no authority >>>>>> mandating how respectful my speech is. What level of arrogance. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, it was not disrespectful. It was an objective assessment >>>>>> of an *infractor's* level of English competence. >>>>>> >>>>>> I owe nobody respect. Certainly not someone who breaks the law and >>>>>> steals other people's intellectual property. Respect is earned. >>>>>> >>>>>> and would have been more productive just as >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, yes, here you can see in action the new-age practice of corporate >>>>>> double speak applied to open source projects. This is not Google. >>>>>> You are not fooling me or anyone else who still has a grain of >>>>>> independent thought left. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a pathetic and disgusting attempt of silencing independent >>>>>> contributors who still refuse to kneel after your coup d'état in >>>>>> which you managed to replace the Go technical governance with a >>>>>> thought police political organization vassal to Google. >>>>>> >>>>>> In some sense, you have succeeded. I will never yield to you, you >>>>>> can never silence me, but you certainly made me realise that my >>>>>> association with the Go project is a mistake and a liability. I do >>>>>> not want to be associated with your organization, even accidentally. >>>>>> When I contribute to Go, I only make you people stronger. In fact, >>>>>> this is your modus operandi; you rely on people who do the actual >>>>>> technical work (either as part of the Go team, or as contributors) >>>>>> in order to gain more support for your cause. To gain legitimacy. >>>>>> To claim authority. >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot remove the code I have contributed to the Go project over >>>>>> the years, but I can certainly stop contributing as an individual >>>>>> in the future. I will make sure, best of my ability, that any >>>>>> competent individual or organization who is evaluating Go is made >>>>>> aware of who is actually pulling the strings here, and what they >>>>>> are getting into. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stalking people online for thought crimes! This is what the Go >>>>>> project has succumbed to! And newcomers need to be aware of that. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are luring people with technical arguments and weed them with >>>>>> political correctness. Your propaganda machine is strong, but not >>>>>> infallible. Just like all good propaganda, you rely on a majority >>>>>> of true facts to hide you agenda and falsehoods. Yes, your technical >>>>>> preaching is truthful, and that is the best disguise for your dark >>>>>> agenda of manipulation, control and deceit. >>>>>> >>>>>> But you are not fooling everyone, you are not fooling me. I will >>>>>> not be controlled by a neo-puritan organization. >>>>>> >>>>>> If there's anyone left who still has the power and courage to say >>>>>> no to these bullies, consider who you should prosecute: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) a thief who makes money from stolen intellectual >>>>>> property >>>>>> 2) someone who realized the thief's command of the >>>>>> English language is so poor, he cannot be understood. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> PS: I suspect it's the thief himself who reported me to your >>>>>> organization, and because your extrajudicial court works so well, >>>>>> you have managed to sentence the wrong person. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Aram Hăvărneanu >>>>>> Go contributor >>>>>> Not a thief >>>>>> Critical thinker >>>>>> >>>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "golang-nuts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to golang-nuts...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. 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