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On Apr 3, 10:04 am, Andy Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > > So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all. > > Sure there is - unless you know how to fix the problem. (Surely > you're not going to argue that you're reporting an unknown problem.) > After all, you complained about someone else's posting with "This is a > forum for people to share information on GAE and solve problems." > > Throughout this, you've acted like Google has some obligation to make > GAE applications visible in China. It doesn't. > > > And no, there's no need for google to "subvert the great firewall" in > > order to solve this problem. > > That's assuming that the Chinese want appengine apps to get through. > Since they're blocking, I'm pretty sure that they want to block at > least some app engine apps and are willing to block them all to block > the ones that they don't want. > > > Google could talk to the authorities in > > China to see what can be done to get unblocked. > > What are the odds that they haven't tried that? > > > It could give App Engine users the option to move their sites to google's > > data centers > > in China. > > SInce China is blocking app engine because it doesn't like certain app > engine apps and those apps are the most likely to want to want to use > such an option .... > > > Plenty of solutions - just because you don't know about them doesn't mean > > they > > don't exist. > > Actually, I do know about those and lots of other bandaids. However, > I also know how they all fail. > > The fix to the problem is China. If you're not working on that, > you're just flapping your gums. > > On Apr 2, 11:10 pm, Andy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I want to to hear from Google whether it has done anything to solve > > this problem or whether it has any plan to do so. > > > I don't want to hear pompous speech from a self-appointed non-google > > spokesperson on his "political/moral" drivels and that he "encourage > > me to take my business elsewhere". > > > So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all. > > > And no, there's no need for google to "subvert the great firewall" in > > order to solve this problem. Google could talk to the authorities in > > China to see what can be done to get unblocked. It could give App > > Engine users the option to move their sites to google's data centers > > in China. It could start selling static IP hosting. Plenty of > > solutions - just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they > > don't exist. > > > On Apr 3, 1:54 am, Andy Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve > > > > problems. > > > > Pot, kettle and all that unless you know how Google can subvert the > > > "great firewall". > > > > On Apr 2, 8:48 pm, Andy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No one is interested in hearing your "political/moral" preaching. > > > > > This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve > > > > problems. If you have anything of value to add to the discussion, feel > > > > free to add your bits. If not, you won't be missed. > > > > > So you "encourage me to take my business elsewhere"? > > > > > Who are you - are you the spokesperson of Google? Is that the Google > > > > official position on this matter? > > > > > Or was that just another failed attempt of you at self-aggrandizement? > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:53 pm, Joe Bowman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > China and the other countries block content that they deem > > > > > unacceptable for their citizens. In order to get appengine off the > > > > > blacklist, they would have to disallow people to create applications > > > > > which would be deemed offensive to those countries. > > > > > > First, looking at it from the pure technical/business view, this would > > > > > require that applications no longer post immediately, and be under > > > > > review at each update at a minimum. This would potentially decrease > > > > > the amount of applications served (thus decreasing revenue) while > > > > > increasing costs to support the system. > > > > > > From the political/moral view, Google has been a staunch supporter of > > > > > rights to speech, and it wasn't that long ago that they were chastised > > > > > for bending their own rules to support China at all by allowing the > > > > > filtering of search results. Further expansion of their products > > > > > having such filtering imposed by them would lead to more reputation > > > > > damage. Reputation damage also costs money. > > > > > > So really, from two different perspectives, there's no business sense > > > > > in worrying about if appengine applications are being firewalled by 6 > > > > > out of the 150+ countries that exist in the world. As a customer you > > > > > have every right to take your business elsewhere, and if making you > > > > > application available in those 6 countries is of the importance that > > > > > you need to, I encourage you to do so. Not every web application is > > > > > going to be appropriate for appengine. > > > > > > There's 6 countries that support appengine, and can only write > > > > > programs in python. Which is really the limiting factor of the > > > > > application environment? > > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:16 pm, Andy Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why shouldn't this be google's problem? > > > > > > > Suppose that I sold raincoats and you wanted to buy one of my > > > > > > raincoats. If someone else got between us and stopped me from > > > > > > delivering raincoats to you, who would you hold responsible? > > > > > > > Google isn't doing the blocking. > > > > > > > Yes, Google may be able to make more money if it can get around the > > > > > > blocking, but that doesn't change the fact that the blocks are not > > > > > > under Google's control. > > > > > > > In other words, blocking may be a problem, that is an issue, for > > > > > > Google, but it isn't Google's problem, that is, something that > > > > > > Google > > > > > > has some obligation to do act upon. > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 3:38 pm, Andy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why shouldn't this be google's problem? > > > > > > > > Google's hosting platform is being blocked by the country with the > > > > > > > largest internet population in the world. You think that's not a > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > problem? > > > > > > > > I've used plenty of hosting sites that are perfectly accessible > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > China. So obviously this is a problem for Google. > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 11:18 am, Barry Hunter <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > And why is this Google's problem?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
