My "take you business elsewhere" was offered a suggestion of how to work around the fact that applications on GAE are being blocked by national firewalls. Nothing more, nothing less. I also did not do any moral/political preaching, if you read my response, I broke it down into dollars and cents, the moral/political reasons are the reasons it doesn't make sense when dollars come into play.
To reiterate: - In order for the national firewalls to not block appengine, Google would have to enforce application rules that comply with those firewalls. Meaning, they'd have to allow less applications, as spend the money and invest in the manpower and application approval workflows to support such restrictions. And, the political reputation damage would be enough to drive even more people away from their product. In the end, it's not about politics or morals, it's about money, which is what corporations the size of Google are always about. They wouldn't be where they are today, in such a short time, if they weren't. The ability to purchase a static IP is a nice thought, but the costs associated with the setup of that which would need to be passed on to the user may be more than you're willing to pay. Something to think about. It's a cloud based infrastructure with deployments worldwide, setting up individual static IP's is a task a lot larger than what you're dedicated/vps service offerings have to deal with. I'd suggest you file a feature request, which is a lot more likely to get noticed than any reply in this thread. On Apr 3, 2:10 am, Andy <[email protected]> wrote: > I want to to hear from Google whether it has done anything to solve > this problem or whether it has any plan to do so. > > I don't want to hear pompous speech from a self-appointed non-google > spokesperson on his "political/moral" drivels and that he "encourage > me to take my business elsewhere". > > So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all. > > And no, there's no need for google to "subvert the great firewall" in > order to solve this problem. Google could talk to the authorities in > China to see what can be done to get unblocked. It could give App > Engine users the option to move their sites to google's data centers > in China. It could start selling static IP hosting. Plenty of > solutions - just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they > don't exist. > > On Apr 3, 1:54 am, Andy Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve > > > problems. > > > Pot, kettle and all that unless you know how Google can subvert the > > "great firewall". > > > On Apr 2, 8:48 pm, Andy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No one is interested in hearing your "political/moral" preaching. > > > > This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve > > > problems. If you have anything of value to add to the discussion, feel > > > free to add your bits. If not, you won't be missed. > > > > So you "encourage me to take my business elsewhere"? > > > > Who are you - are you the spokesperson of Google? Is that the Google > > > official position on this matter? > > > > Or was that just another failed attempt of you at self-aggrandizement? > > > > On Apr 2, 7:53 pm, Joe Bowman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > China and the other countries block content that they deem > > > > unacceptable for their citizens. In order to get appengine off the > > > > blacklist, they would have to disallow people to create applications > > > > which would be deemed offensive to those countries. > > > > > First, looking at it from the pure technical/business view, this would > > > > require that applications no longer post immediately, and be under > > > > review at each update at a minimum. This would potentially decrease > > > > the amount of applications served (thus decreasing revenue) while > > > > increasing costs to support the system. > > > > > From the political/moral view, Google has been a staunch supporter of > > > > rights to speech, and it wasn't that long ago that they were chastised > > > > for bending their own rules to support China at all by allowing the > > > > filtering of search results. Further expansion of their products > > > > having such filtering imposed by them would lead to more reputation > > > > damage. Reputation damage also costs money. > > > > > So really, from two different perspectives, there's no business sense > > > > in worrying about if appengine applications are being firewalled by 6 > > > > out of the 150+ countries that exist in the world. As a customer you > > > > have every right to take your business elsewhere, and if making you > > > > application available in those 6 countries is of the importance that > > > > you need to, I encourage you to do so. Not every web application is > > > > going to be appropriate for appengine. > > > > > There's 6 countries that support appengine, and can only write > > > > programs in python. Which is really the limiting factor of the > > > > application environment? > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:16 pm, Andy Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Why shouldn't this be google's problem? > > > > > > Suppose that I sold raincoats and you wanted to buy one of my > > > > > raincoats. If someone else got between us and stopped me from > > > > > delivering raincoats to you, who would you hold responsible? > > > > > > Google isn't doing the blocking. > > > > > > Yes, Google may be able to make more money if it can get around the > > > > > blocking, but that doesn't change the fact that the blocks are not > > > > > under Google's control. > > > > > > In other words, blocking may be a problem, that is an issue, for > > > > > Google, but it isn't Google's problem, that is, something that Google > > > > > has some obligation to do act upon. > > > > > > On Apr 2, 3:38 pm, Andy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Why shouldn't this be google's problem? > > > > > > > Google's hosting platform is being blocked by the country with the > > > > > > largest internet population in the world. You think that's not a > > > > > > major > > > > > > problem? > > > > > > > I've used plenty of hosting sites that are perfectly accessible from > > > > > > China. So obviously this is a problem for Google. > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 11:18 am, Barry Hunter <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > And why is this Google's problem?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
