I second G's opinion.

It is far to easy to spend days designing and coding to solve things
that should not need solved at this high of a level.  You could get
yourself some real fine hosting with the money you could save spending
your time on more valuable things.

Right now I am heavily using app engine, and I really like it in
general.  But some days it is very frustrating.

Robert









On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:24 PM, G <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have been thinking about this very topic, even (re)considering
> PHP. :)
>
> You might want to look into using Django, or one of the other Python
> web frameworks, instead of the modified version running on AppEngine
> (the same could be said for the Java flavor).  There are a couple of
> free hosting services available.
>
> While not deep into AppEngine; my current impression is that AppEngine
> needs more time to mature as a development target.  Though some things
> are easier, a lot of time is wasted working around old bugs, design
> limitations, and incomplete implementations.  Server status
> information is also lacking, and feels more like a marketing mindset,
> where an honest 'five nines' mindset would be more useful. In my
> experience, the development speed benefits of Python (and Django) are
> lost to AppEngine trivia.  The promise of high scalability for data
> isn't exclusive to AppEngine, especially when memcached is the first
> line of defense, so even that is not an exclusive win.
>
> --
> G
>
>
> paulmo wrote:
>> thanks for links. I have read those. I should have stated that I have
>> created a guestbook app with GAE
>> as a trial to explore the datastore etc.
>>
>> I was looking more for feedback from users who are deep in GAE and can
>> make a comparison:
>>
>> Do you miss not having a relational database? Workarounds given my
>> situation of using 2 tables?
>> Are/can you use Google's webtoolkit or ajax/css apis without having to
>> deploy 3rd party apps?
>>
>> Stuff like that...
>> On Jan 6, 9:07 am, Sylvain <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I think most answers are here 
>> > :http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/gettingstarted/
>> >
>> > Do the "getting started", and everything will be clear.
>> >
>> > About django templates : you can use it (or not) or use static files
>> > (html, css, 
>> > js,...)http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/gettingstarted/staticfil...
>> >
>> > You can create forms directly inside the code (without template) 
>> > :http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/gettingstarted/handlingf...
>> >
>> > Hope it will help.
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > On Jan 6, 1:33 pm, paulmo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I love all things Google, but I'm wondering if I should put in effort
>> > > to migrate to Python, Datastore and GAE.
>> >
>> > > My non-commercial app has two distinct text forms: one is a radio
>> > > selection and one is a text string that gets exploded and is searched
>> > > in elseif statements against arrays. The original message is posted to
>> > > 2 tables in MySQL: one with entire message, and another with exploded
>> > > array words. This second table is queried for most common words and
>> > > echoed in a datatable.
>> >
>> > > Both of these forms must be in same app.
>> >
>> > > My app also uses geo location and css/js libraries.
>> >
>> > > I'm confused about Django templates; I did not see any CSS/JS
>> > > "templates" per se in the docs; does a beginner do best with static
>> > > CSS/JS files?
>> >
>> > > The attraction of GAE seems to be doing everything in one interface/
>> > > set of tools, and I'd like to keep it that way: I don't need a bunch
>> > > of links and 3rd party apps.
>> >
>> > > Advice greatly appreciated.
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