I can name that tune in a LOT less money. We are actually looking at building a twitter-esque service on GAE. (actually doing Video with Text and Audio) and we are estimating that we can push Video,Audio and Text at a price of .32 cents a gig delivered regard less of number of follows or followers. Our biggest concern is the 12 cents each way on the bandwidth more than just about anything else.
We did the math on things, and the biggest limitation is the size of the memcache, which doesn't scale with the number of instances or the size of the instances. But we even solved most of that issue. (sorry not sharing how). But in all the conversations about price it always comes down to things are expensive if you do things the way you are used to doing them rather than doing them the way GAE is optimized to do them. My biggest complaint with pricing is that what costs money has shifted more than once. Which cause use to "re-optimize". I realize that I exploit the pricing to get the best price... but as with all pricing you have to lose money on one or to savvy guys to make up for the not so savvy guys you take to the cleaners :-) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jon Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:13 AM To: Google App Engine Subject: [google-appengine] Re: vijayp on migration of partychat from GAE to EC2/GAE-hybrid; from $20/day expense to < $1/day Ikai, sure Google has chosen to differentiate on advanced features, not price. It's OK to charge a little more than your competitors. The question is, how do you know if you're now charging correctly? Are you charging too much? Are you charging too little? How do you know? Based on user feedback, I'd say you've charged too much. I don't mind most of the price increases, but the datastore operations are very expensive. It's so expensive that the Relation Index Entity technique proposed by your own Brett Slatkin has become cost prohibitive. If Twitter was built on GAE using Relation Index Entity, each tweet made by a popular user with 1 million followers would cost $1 each. Let's say there are 1000 such users on Twitter. And if each one tweeted 10 times a day, the cost would be $10,000 a day! I mean c'mon, Google must be seriously overcharging when best practices/solutions suggested by Googlers themselves have become unusable. On Jan 7, 7:20 am, "Ikai Lan (Google)" <[email protected]> wrote: > Andrin, that's a totally fair argument, and one that we are always > talking about. I think there are ways we can make GAE can provide > value, but the key is for us to think about value, not price. If we > obsess about price per megabyte of bandwidth, we're losing sight of > our goal of enabling developers. We need to demonstrate that the total > cost of ownership of GAE is top notch by continuing to execute and improve the overall platform. > > -- > Ikai Lan > Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com | > twitter.com/ikai > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Andrin von Rechenberg <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > One other interesting thought is that people often justify the > > higher price with the stability of GAE and that Google takes care of > > running your system and you dont have to carry a pager. > > The flaw with this justification is, that if my app would cost > > $50'000 a month on AppEngine and $20'000 somewhere else, I would run > > it somewhere else! > > For the extra $30'000 i would save, i could hire 2 really great Site > > Reliability Engineers that take care of running the system and make > > the experience for my developers just as good as GAE's. Many people > > have made systems scale outside of AppEngine, which is for an > > experienced engineer as hard as adopting to GAEs limitations. So I'm > > wondering who Google targets at the moment with AppEngine. For > > people that really think big, GAE might not be the choice anymore. > > And Amazon is really taking the market these days. > > > I truly hope that one day GAE is so competitive that it takes the > > market as much as EC2 is taking it now. From my point of view, the > > pricing changes were a huge set back (maybe it was a success for > > Google's Business side), but I'm positive that sometime in the > > future GAE will become more competitive again. > > > Cheers, > > A big GAE-Lover > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Leandro Rezende < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> run as u can =P > > >> 2012/1/5 Shane Elbo <[email protected]> > > >>> I've just started to learn about GAE. 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