There is something wrong when someone seemingly copies a problem from another site and asks for a solution, not help. One can sincerely ask for help in certain aspects of the solution when one can not go on solving. But setting ultimatum and insisting having a solution by the end of the day is iffy if not outrageous. The least we can do is to point them to do their work and explain what they did and offer a detailed description of their progress. You cant ask for a recipe and have the cake baked for you. Cheers.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Hernan Badenes <[email protected]> wrote: > Carlos, I totally agree with you. You clearly understood what I meant to > say in my rather short message. Thanks for the much more polite tone and > the clear explanation. > > I do encourage people to post questions and start discussions, even for > algorithm contents other than GCJ; and I do enjoy reading the questions and > responses too. The original message was not in the correct topic nor tone > for this group, though. In any case, if other people feel like responding > to these questions, then go ahead and do it -- I just feel this makes the > group less appealing to people who do ask and respond about coding contests > and GCJ. > > Anyway, to everyone -- I am sorry to have started such a long discussion > thread; and quite offtopic to GCJ itself. I just feel pretty tired of these > questions, as many other group members probably are. I'll stop myself from > generating even discussions anymore! > > Kind regards, > Hernan > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Carlos Guia > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> @Frank, there are two separate issues here. >> >> 1) If this question is for an ongoing contest, then it's quite likely >> this is cheating according to the contests rules. >> 2) The OP didn't ask for help, he/she asked for a solution in any (then >> gave a very short list of any) language. >> >> Maybe I'm mistaken, but from the person who said don't post assignments, >> I didn't get that assignments shouldn't be asked about. But asking to do >> the assignment for the OP is what shouldn't happen. >> >> I don't think many (I know I wouldn't) would complain if someone says >> something like "I'm in an algorithm course and my professor gave me this >> assignment but I don't know how to solve it", then say what he/she has >> tried or what it doesn't understand and shows that the interest is mainly >> learning how to solve the problem. But this question is "solve this for me >> by tonight". >> >> Whatever your views, if you can't offer ideas, allow others to. >> >> My view, and probably shared among others, is that this types of >> questions (asking others to solve their problems) decreases the quality of >> this group. That's why I feel it should be said so. >> >> In the thread from a couple of days ago, where someone asked for a >> solution for a competition qualifying question, some poor soul spent some >> time on it and provide code in JavaScript. He didn't even get a "Thanks" he >> got "I need it in a different language". If this would become a trend here >> less people will help and we all lose. >> >> To be honest, I found your answer perfect, you gave an algorithm name and >> encouraged the OP to put some work on it. The problem is that I don't think >> the OP will be happy about it, you clearly didn't give him what he asked >> for "a solution in C, C++, Java or Python". >> >> I hope you understand this rant is not directed at you, I'm just trying >> to express to you why I consider this type of question inappropriate in >> this group. >> >> Carlos Guía >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, MOli Chaudhari <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I have done this question in python >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:02 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> Any question that relates to algorithm is not out of place. What is GCJ >>>> about then? Take a holistic and balanced view. >>>> >>>> Whatever your views, if you can't offer ideas, allow others to. People >>>> have problems and they desire solutions not rejection. >>>> >>>> Sent from earth. >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: * Malay Keshav <[email protected]> >>>> *Sender: * [email protected] >>>> *Date: *Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:58:17 +0530 >>>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >>>> *Subject: *Re: [gcj] this is my project question need urgent answer >>>> itcan be in any language(c,c++,java,python) >>>> >>>> @Carlos : Totally Agree. I was just saving the trouble of replying when >>>> people ask "What will you gain by cheating ?" >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Carlos Guia < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For the person saying that everything on the web was put by humans. >>>>> This group is not the "web", in the about page >>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!aboutgroup/google-code you can see >>>>> the description is: >>>>> >>>>> "A group for discussion of the Google Code Jam series of programming >>>>> contests. To learn more, visit http://code.google.com/codejam. Please >>>>> refrain from making any commercial or recruiting posts on this list." >>>>> >>>>> So the fact we're allowed to talk about non Google Code Jam things >>>>> here is already a slack given by the moderators, probably because it helps >>>>> in having better GCJ contests. But that doesn't mean the group should be >>>>> spammed with everything anyone is not trying to do by themselves. >>>>> >>>>> Carlos Guía >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Carlos Guia < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> While I wouldn't answer questions of this type (ongoing contest) the >>>>>> prize money is not really important. Who came to this forum asking for >>>>>> help >>>>>> in this way is not going to win. >>>>>> >>>>>> Carlos Guía >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Malay Keshav < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Its from an ongoing contest by TCS with a prize money. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Google Code Jam" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-code/CABGuxU8VSBAZAD%3DeRcEcYYcKtM5acRdR5Fd2b2et%3Dy2qHbiinA%40mail.gmail.com?hl=en >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Google Code Jam" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-code/CANxkOGZzdgsOnPpaM_i6Jy%2BuMKukCj%2Bk6z68F7UL8Ns2WcSinQ%40mail.gmail.com?hl=en >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Google Code Jam" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-code/CABGuxU_gTdWQDpGWQebQqrt4cBEFTg9zzCL6%3D_9c_7xperJm3A%40mail.gmail.com?hl=en >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Google Code Jam" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-code/492403504-1376400783-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-681445959-%40b2.c11.bise7.blackberry?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Google Code Jam" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-code/CAD3_gAREp2Q97LeMHs3Et-f1W0FjMw3-Q%2BXp1NqKRyHceQmrgw%40mail.gmail.com?hl=en >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Google Code Jam" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-code/CANxkOGZZ3ONk2VzJCs0MhWFU-w%3De1vZijfnvAetOS7%2Bb9EGcDg%40mail.gmail.com?hl=en >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Saludos, > H. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google Code Jam" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-code/CAPEvYPbC6-s%2BWyaK2dEB3i2K6Nq7sS-g09y%2BYxB65cb9C0Lj2g%40mail.gmail.com?hl=en > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Code Jam" group. 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