Modifying the site google creates for you is normally ugly, hacky, HTML
scrapping and reconstructing stuff. Can't really recommend that to anyone
sane....

There are two issues here: you want to create your own websites and play
with "getting data from a 3rd party and build something cool out of it",
that 3rd party being google.

There are lot's of good frameworks out there, RubyOnRails and Django are hip
once right now (I personally played with and like Django a lot - but i can't
say i build an enterprise scale thing with it...). There are things like
ASP.NET and Java technologies as well - they work well and are solid these
days, but as hip as writing an accounting system in Cobol these days...

The benefit of playing with ASP.NET or Java frameworks is that you could use
the clientlibs we provide to communicate with google on your webserver. Not
hip, but sure faster. PHP has a framework as well, and is also a good
environment to start creating websites.

For Python and Ruby i am currently not aware of the state of client
libraries.

Considering that, if you want to just play for fun, i can highly recommend
python with Django.

Frank

On 1/30/07, MatchBook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I assumed that the design of the website would be the same.  In
> my original question, I was talking about how to communicate with
> google services.  I am still interested in that.  But now I am also
> taking up the point about to practice with building a website.  For
> instance, I'd like to be able to modify the website that google hosts
> for me.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Jan 30, 12:38 pm, "Frank Mantek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Now you are having me confused.. are you talking about a website that
> talks
> > to google, or is hosted by google?
> >
> > Frank Mantek
> >
> > On 1/30/07, Jeffrey Flint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thank you, Frank. I am still curious about how I could apply any java
> > > programming into a website that is hosted by google.  Also, and this
> > > question may be a little off the mark, but I am also curious if you
> have any
> > > recommendation about an development environment for websites.  I am
> thinking
> > > that I should download an opensource webserver, like Apache, and play
> with
> > > building a website locally on my machine before publishing it to the
> website
> > > hosted by Google.  Am I on the right track?
> >
> > > Jeff
> >
> > > On 1/29/07, Frank Mantek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > No, they work. The client is involved in the initial authentication
> for
> > > > a webapp (after all, if i sign up for our service, and you want to
> get my
> > > > googledata, i need to say "ok, go ahead"), but not after that step.
> >
> > > > There is a wiki page that explains the .NET support, we are not done
> > > > with providing a full sample yet though (soo much time, so little to
> do...
> > > > wait, that's the wrong quote...).
> >
> > > > The same functionality can be found in the java package (look at
> authsub
> > > > util), and there are some people here in the group who are building
> > > > professional/paid services based on those classes.
> >
> > > > I am not sure right now if the java tar comes with an authsub
> sample, i
> > > > thought it did? A pretty elaborated one, that shows the complete
> process.
> >
> > > > Frank
> >
> > > > On 1/27/07, MatchBook <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > > > > Frank,
> >
> > > > > Regarding the documentation, I believe it was this line:
> >
> > > > > "Note that the authentication system we're using here (known as
> > > > > "Google
> > > > > Authentication for Installed Applications") is appropriate only
> for
> > > > > use
> > > > > in installed client applications such as desktop clients, not for
> use
> > > > > in web applications. For more information about authentication,
> see
> > > > > the
> > > > > Google Account Authentication documentation."
> >
> > > > > Because the examples shown for web applications are using http
> calls
> > > > > to
> > > > > show authentication, I got the impression that I had to generate
> and
> > > > > receive http calls to do web-based authentication.  Are there api
> > > > > examples of performing web authentication?
> >
> > > > > I guess I also had an idea that this web-based authentication
> might
> > > > > take place on the client.  In such cases, am I wrong in assuming
> that
> > > > > the Java API could not work?
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> >
> > > > > Jeff
> >
> > > > > On Jan 26, 2:25 am, "Frank Mantek" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Your initial impression is mistaken. You can use he java api
> easily
> > > > > to
> > > > > > develop a web application. You have then the choice of using
> > > > > client-login
> > > > > > (which is the stand alone application login) - which is an ok
> choice
> > > > > if you
> > > > > > just want to display your own data. Or, you use authentication
> for
> > > > > web
> > > > > > applications, which is fully supported by the java libraries.
> >
> > > > > > Of course, you are free to choose PHP (zend) or some of the
> other
> > > > > available
> > > > > > user libraries for Pearl/Python etc, but I am not familiar
> enough
> > > > > with those
> > > > > > to give you any advice which one to use.
> >
> > > > > > For curiosity, and to improve our online documentation, which
> part
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > documents your read lead you to believe that this is only
> suitable
> > > > > for
> > > > > > client applications?
> >
> > > > > > Regards
> >
> > > > > > Frank Mantek
> > > > > > Google
> >
> > > > > > On 1/25/07, MatchBook < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > I am interested in developing a web site that talks to Google
> > > > > services.
> > > > > > > I have acquainted myself with the help online, and I have
> played
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > the Java examples.  But as I understand it, the Java API can
> only
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > used in a stand-alone application.  Because I am interested in
> > > > > making a
> > > > > > > web site, this won't do.
> >
> > > > > > > So, I am interested in people's opinions about what
> development
> > > > > > > environment, language, etc. that is most helpful to build a
> > > > > website
> > > > > > > that can interact with Google services.  This means, I think,
> an
> > > > > > > environment that is nimble with sending and receiving url
> > > > > requests.
> >
> > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > > > > > > Jeff- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text
> -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> >
>

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