On 25/01/2010, at 12:45 PM, Philip <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
On Jan 23, 10:24 pm, James Laugesen <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello everyone, I haven't been active here in a long time, but I
have to
chime in; I disagree with most comments.
Pushing Google to release a native picasa client will very likely
_not_
improve the "negative" experiences you/we have (broadly I mean, not
specifically).
Given that most Picasa+WINE+Linux issues are dependent on the
idiosyncrasies
of the many linux flavours & installs (ie, not everyone has the same
problems, the fedora x86_64 comments earlier for example); a native
picasa
client would still be susceptible to those kinds of issues, and the
Picasa
team would still have to deal with them - without the support of
CodeWeavers, CrossOver & WINE communities & existing capabilities.
But with the support of those who make all the underlying native
libraries that WINE would no longer be a poorly-fit patch over.
Honestly, I depend on several linux applications daily that are not
part of my standard distribution but are nonetheless packaged for
several distributions by independent teams (or sometimes individuals)
without the resources of google.
If the developers & architects believe a native client would be
overly
beneficial (ie performance, release consistency, whatever) they would
consider it.
Where-as sticking to WINE releases has been very beneficial for the
WINE
project and CodeWeavers.
I don't know for a fact, but I imagine that "they" consider the
pros of
releasing under WINE (thus supporting WINE & CodeWeavers) to
outweigh the
cons of a non-native version.
There's been a couple of open-source comments; well WINE is open,
if you
want to "fix" things, get involved with WINE.
Both of these points assume WINE to be a necessary or central part of
Linux. I disagree.
Whether we like it or not Windows is still the primary market, and
developing WINE benefits the broader community improving the
operation of
other Windows apps... it's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned (to
support
WINE).
I don't actually think it benefits the linux community to embrace
secondary citizenship and accept "mostly working" Windows applications
running in emulation. Keep in mind Windows emulation has long been a
moving target - WINE and mono have had a lot of great technical talent
pushing them forward, but are continuously yanked back from full
compatibility with every MS release of the respective products.
"Just focus on the windows version, we'll make due" should give way to
"Ignore our market at your peril". I'm watching the shotwell project
somewhat anxiously.
Of course, it would be cool to have a native version; but we'd have
to be
prepared for new problems ;-)
I'd look forward to solvable problems.
cheers,
Philip
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Hi Phillip, you make good points, but sorry WINE is not an emmulator
(pun intended), nor is mono, and to suggest they are failing projects
is FUD.
The fact is, google targetted windows, and then WINE _enabled_ google
to deliver picasa to Linux users with minimal work.
Picasa already existed, and wine already existed, why spend resources
developing a native picasa (which then requires ongoing management),
when the same resources could be spent developing (the already
existing) WINE, to allow the delivery of (the already existing) picasa.
All-the-while having only a single picasa development stream to manage
(and license), and WINE contributions injected into the open-source
community.
Of course it would've been better if picasa was developed with cross-
platform support in mind from the begining, but it wasn't.
In this case we _are_ second class citizens.
Anyway sort of diverging a bit now... My original point is just that
the people asking for this should not expect a native picasa to
magically resolve issues (generally, not specifically) that you've
been having. A native version will sill have headaches ;-)
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