I am not that disappointed with Picasa, I am using Ubuntu 9.10 32 bit and Picasa 3, except some features (movie making etc.) everything is working :)
On Jan 25, 7:04 pm, Philip <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Jan 25, 6:23 am, James Laugesen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 25/01/2010, at 12:45 PM, Philip <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Jan 23, 10:24 pm, James Laugesen <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Hello everyone, I haven't been active here in a long time, but I > > >> have to > > >> chime in; I disagree with most comments. > > >> Pushing Google to release a native picasa client will very likely > > >> _not_ > > >> improve the "negative" experiences you/we have (broadly I mean, not > > >> specifically). > > > >> Given that most Picasa+WINE+Linux issues are dependent on the > > >> idiosyncrasies > > >> of the many linux flavours & installs (ie, not everyone has the same > > >> problems, the fedora x86_64 comments earlier for example); a native > > >> picasa > > >> client would still be susceptible to those kinds of issues, and the > > >> Picasa > > >> team would still have to deal with them - without the support of > > >> CodeWeavers, CrossOver & WINE communities & existing capabilities. > > > > But with the support of those who make all the underlying native > > > libraries that WINE would no longer be a poorly-fit patch over. > > > > Honestly, I depend on several linux applications daily that are not > > > part of my standard distribution but are nonetheless packaged for > > > several distributions by independent teams (or sometimes individuals) > > > without the resources of google. > > > >> If the developers & architects believe a native client would be > > >> overly > > >> beneficial (ie performance, release consistency, whatever) they would > > >> consider it. > > >> Where-as sticking to WINE releases has been very beneficial for the > > >> WINE > > >> project and CodeWeavers. > > >> I don't know for a fact, but I imagine that "they" consider the > > >> pros of > > >> releasing under WINE (thus supporting WINE & CodeWeavers) to > > >> outweigh the > > >> cons of a non-native version. > > > >> There's been a couple of open-source comments; well WINE is open, > > >> if you > > >> want to "fix" things, get involved with WINE. > > > > Both of these points assume WINE to be a necessary or central part of > > > Linux. I disagree. > > > >> Whether we like it or not Windows is still the primary market, and > > >> developing WINE benefits the broader community improving the > > >> operation of > > >> other Windows apps... it's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned (to > > >> support > > >> WINE). > > > > I don't actually think it benefits the linux community to embrace > > > secondary citizenship and accept "mostly working" Windows applications > > > running in emulation. Keep in mind Windows emulation has long been a > > > moving target - WINE and mono have had a lot of great technical talent > > > pushing them forward, but are continuously yanked back from full > > > compatibility with every MS release of the respective products. > > > > "Just focus on the windows version, we'll make due" should give way to > > > "Ignore our market at your peril". I'm watching the shotwell project > > > somewhat anxiously. > > > >> Of course, it would be cool to have a native version; but we'd have > > >> to be > > >> prepared for new problems ;-) > > > > I'd look forward to solvable problems. > > > > cheers, > > > > Philip > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "Google-Labs-Picasa-for-Linux" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > [email protected] > > > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected] > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/google-labs-picasa-for-linux?hl=en > > > . > > > Hi Phillip, you make good points, but sorry WINE is not an emmulator > > (pun intended), nor is mono, and to suggest they are failing projects > > is FUD. > > Actually, Wine is now an emulator (note the acronym still works, > though they've ditched > it):http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c9e6502ad636315e905d07f7e44594757a6738e3 > > I didn't say either project was failing, only that they can't really > have *complete* success - Windows will always be more Windows-like > than either :-) > > > The fact is, google targetted windows, and then WINE _enabled_ google > > to deliver picasa to Linux users with minimal work. > > I would also add "...and minimal success". I don't know any happy > picasa/linux users, though it is quite successful on Windows. I think > this creates a vicious cycle - few people use picasa/linux because it > is poor quality, but why create a native port for such a small user > community? > > > Picasa already existed, and wine already existed, why spend resources > > developing a native picasa (which then requires ongoing management), > > when the same resources could be spent developing (the already > > existing) WINE, to allow the delivery of (the already existing) picasa. > > All-the-while having only a single picasa development stream to manage > > (and license), and WINE contributions injected into the open-source > > community. > > There are actually a lot of good reasons to create native ports of > applications. And not one actually successful wine-based linux desktop > app that I can think of. Or, for that matter, Windows app that > requires linux emulation... > > Really, wine has its place. It was a godsend to be able to run MS > Office on my linux box... until OpenOffice. Don't know any serious > linux users who use MS Office as their primary office suite since. > > > Of course it would've been better if picasa was developed with cross- > > platform support in mind from the begining, but it wasn't. > > In this case we _are_ second class citizens. > > _if we choose to be_ > though, I completely agree with you that's how google sees it. If I > saw it that way, I'd just get a mac and write off this whole "open > source OS" experiment (no, an OSS kernel doesnt qualify mac as such). > > Google is a brilliant company, which is the only reason I didn't see > that this app was wine-based and think "Ah, second-class treatment. > Fail. Next option?" > > Of course, that's what I've done now. Another plug: > shotwellhttp://yorba.org/shotwell/ > > > Anyway sort of diverging a bit now... My original point is just that > > the people asking for this should not expect a native picasa to > > magically resolve issues (generally, not specifically) that you've > > been having. A native version will sill have headaches ;-) > > It will, and it may still lag far behind it's popular-OS siblings (see > skype). But it will be usable and supported (see skype). > > thanks, > > Philip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google-Labs-Picasa-for-Linux" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-labs-picasa-for-linux?hl=en.
