Ooohhh.  "Bite me", you say.  That really put me in my place.

As far as being aesthetically stupid, I don't think that is even
possible.  I understand that you and many others don't care for it,
but whining about it here will get you zero results and zero sympathy
from me.  I really don't care if you like changes or not.  If you have
something informative about the api or some technical trick that makes
something work that isn't obvious, then I'm all ears.

You have a point about the missing minimize buttons, but this is the
wrong forum to mention that in.  Try posting in the gadget designers
forum, or even better, post an enhancement request to their issue
tracker.  They might be able to actually do something about it there.

If you are really having trouble displaying gadgets because of the
screen space taken up by the sidebar, you can switch your layout in
the settings to use fewer columns.  There is even an option to have a
wider center column to help you organize your gadgets in a workable
manner.  Personally, I don't have any gadgets that don't work
correctly because of the reduced screen size.  Some of them get laid
out a little differently, but all of them still work.

Yes, the gmail gadget is buggy.  But that doesn't mean it will never
change.  Even the full gmail is still in beta, so all bets are off on
stability.  Get used to being an unpaid tester because that is exactly
what we are.

I'm not sure I follow you on the Google chrome issue.  Chrome runs
each browser tab as a seperate instance of the browser.  If you want
to run gmail as a separate application you can, but you need to create
a desktop icon for that.  That really has nothing to do with using the
gadget in IG.  They are two different interfaces to your mail.  You
can also use just about any mail client to get your mail from gmail
and they have no interraction with IG either.

Google does take advantage of you as a developer/beta tester.  They
are careful to not give you any statistics that you can use to prove a
point.  For example, you really don't know how many people were
actually in the sandbox program or if it was a huge percentage that
had a problem with the layout or a very small vocal group.  They, on
the other hand, do have those statistics and can make an informed
decision from them that aligns with their business goals, whatever
that may be.  I don't doubt your 25% usage statistic for 1024 x 768
but I would be surprised if it came from the W3C.  They generally work
with coding standards and not statistic collection.  Maybe they
referenced somebody elses work.

Think of it this way, all Google has done is open up the beta program
to the entire US customer base.  Standard operating procedure for
them.  The figure that they don't charge you anything, so you have no
right to complain other than by going elsewhere.  Which is why crying
about the change in here does absolutely no one any good.  Suck it up
and deal with it.  Or if you really hate the changes, make your voice
heard with your feet and got to yahoo.

As far as being arrogant, you're entitled to your opinion.  At least
I'm not so arrogant that I think my complaining about the direction of
Google's software development will be influenced by my opinion.  Now
that would be truly arrogant.

On Oct 19, 3:03 am, K3G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bite Me Mike!
> Not only is the new "canvas" view aesthetically stupid it is
> functionally stupid as well. here's why:
>
> there are no longer dedicated gadget minimize buttons
> the left tabs use up a crap load of screen real estate on smaller
> resolutions and im not talking 800 * 600 im talking 1024 * 768 which
> according to the W3C at least 25% of people still use.
> the Gmail interface still has no support for filters and is still very
> buggy
> oh and heres the kicker. google's chrome browser is designed to run
> gmail and other web apps as a seperate application. Thus making the
> whole iline gmail thing completely redundant
>
> oh and you know what else. google ignored everyone of its beta testers
> in the sandbox days. there was a huge percentage of people that
> disliked the new layout and there still is. Google knew of these
> problems but still went ahead.
>
> On Oct 19, 5:45 am, Elite Designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I forgot to mention and I am not blubbering either.... I don't happen
> > to like getting the entire page when I open my gmail plugin.  As many
> > others I was perfectly happy with the way it work previously.  If it
> > isn't broken you don't need to fix it and besides like I stated
> > previously we should have the option of using the new version or not
> > most other like yahoo mail for example gives you that option on the
> > versions you want to use.  Is Google in its updating technology not
> > able to figure out how to set an option like that up? LOL!
>
> > On Oct 18, 10:52 am, Mike Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Everybody in here that has been working on themes has known about the
> > > new format for months.  The announcements have been in the
> > > documentation as well as the api where items are clearly marked
> > > deprecated.  No where was it mentioned that the new format would be an
> > > option.  It was always presented as the intended migration path of the
> > > existing layout.
>
> > > If you could take a moment from your blubbering to actually look at
> > > the new layout, you will notice that there might be a technical reason
> > > for the change and that it's not just to screw with your beautiful
> > > layout.  The widgets are getting additional capabilities that allows
> > > them to be more functional without leaving the page.
>
> > > For example, look at the gmail plugin.  You now get nearly the entire
> > > gmail application in the page.  It temporarily displaces the rest of
> > > your widgets while you are working with it.  In the old verions of ig,
> > > you would have no way to switch between full page apps.  They are not
> > > listed anywhere.  That's where your sidebar comes in.  The same goes
> > > for the google feed reader.  Others will follow.
>
> > > While it can be hard to admit it for us designers, graphics are always
> > > going to be secondary to functionality of any given application.
>
> > > So if you want to continue whining about the good ol' days of google
> > > ig 1.0, got tell it to your momma.  She's about the only one that will
> > > listen.
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