> I think this discussion is off the track. If you have a specific > application, for a specific class of customers, > by all means bypass the middle man. > > That's not what browsers and web protocols are intended for...
To me, you are missing the point. Regardless of why the internet was created, or what it's intended purpose, technology after technology has been introduced as the next step in trying make the internet work more like a desktop - tools to help developers have more complete control over the final product. Frameworks like GWT have virtually gotten us there. With GWT, you can now create applications entirely in JAVA (with a smattering of CSS), and through the magic cloud of google goodness, serve your program to the world via the internet. It's great. I can say this over, and over, and over... My point (again) is that all of these technologies are kludges on top of a set of protocols that were never intended to do what they are currently doing. And as a result there are a few things, but only a few that stand between the current capabilities and simply being able to pass a desktop-like application to any number of arbitrary clients/ users. And all of these still lingering road blocks are as a result of the structure of the existing internet. So my question, I believe, is very much on track. And let me ask you this - if the kind of network and app-browser that I am talking about existed. It was known to be as secure as the existing internet, and was as common for users as Internet Explorer and Firefox, and you could build full featured applications in JAVA (or other high level languages), and serve them up, without having to worry about CSS, Javascript, html or any other current web technology... would you use it? As a developer, would you continue to use the existing web? I realize that there are several ifs in my fantasy fart, but if the idea is interesting to you at all, then isn't it worth considering? Do you not think that the current state of the internet is a bit Rube- Goldberg like? Have you not been frustrated for years at dealing with browser incompatibilities? Can you not see any use for push communication? If you don't like the idea, fine. If you are happy with the current internet, fine. But I believe we can make it better. I believe that the internet was designed by very intelligent people who had no means of seeing what the eventual needs would turn out to be. I believe that since then there have been many many many technologies that were fantastic ideas developed by very intelligent people, making the internet better and better. I believe that we are now VERY close to having the internet be what we (as developers at least) want it to be, and I believe that because of where we have climbed to, we can now see more clearly what the real goal has always been (or always should have been). And finally, I believe that the internet (with all it's existing technologies) is not the right vehicle to get us there. I believe that if we stood back, and took a good look at the scope of the issue, we could come up with a structure from the ground up that would be better, stronger, faster. Can you hear the music, or are you too young? ; ) Let's build the 6 million dollar network. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
