No attention on this yet? I can't +1 it without G+, right? 2012/4/5 Joshua Kappon <[email protected]>
> here is my original Google+ post: > https://plus.google.com/u/0/117852058882395554716/posts/iQnNfC2BkxA > > I'm aiming to get some response from Google - You can really help out by > re-sharing and +1'ing it, > and contributing your comments there also. > > Hopefully if we'll unite and be loud at some central place, we might get > some answers. > > Thanks for helping > Joshua > > > On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:04:15 PM UTC+3, Trey Roby wrote: >> >> It has been about 4 months since Ray's post on what the GWT team is >> working on. In that time there has been only one GWT official blog >> update and no releases for 6 months. >> >> After reading the link that Alan suggested, I am encouraged but on >> slightly since the post is several months old. There needs to be some >> official signs of life. If the GWT group is fully staffed then it >> should not be possible to communicate that in some way. >> >> At Caltech we have been using GWT for over 4 years. We have build a >> very large and amazing set of web applications using GWT. We are very >> invested in GWT and I am eager to see some more obvious signs of life. >> >> Trey >> >> On Apr 4, 6:20 am, Joshua Kappon <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Joseph, Coderinabstract >> > >> > I agree with you both. >> > I also appreciate the GWT contributors, and I hope Google will continue >> to >> > support and improve this toolkit, >> > But since there was no official movement on the blog and on the project >> > page for about 6 months, I believe it is our responsibility to let >> google >> > know it is missing, and we hurt for that, help me spread the word >> please. >> > >> > Alan, >> > I am following Ray, and saw that post. I am also searching constantly >> for >> > new updates about the project, but don't you agree it should have been >> at >> > least posted also in the blog? again, if you want the community to >> grow, >> > you must make it easier for new comers to join and bring them up to >> date. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:07:22 AM UTC+3, coderinabstract wrote: >> > >> > > + 1... >> > >> > > Working on web apps since web came to existence.... asp, jsp, cgi, >> DHTML, >> > > javascript, struts and it was a real mess and did not truly enjoy it. >> > > Also,apps created were error prone with code bloat and good design >> was >> > > messy and a challenge. >> > >> > > The power of true OO, with Java, generics and good design with GWT is >> a >> > > complete game changing innovation compared to the page based >> development, >> > > untyped and script based frameworks in creating highest quality end >> user >> > > experiences. >> > >> > > Sincerely hope thats GWTs power with HTML5/CSS and supporting a truly >> open >> > > standard already qualifies this to be the best design experience for >> > > someone like me who really enjoys good application design. Augmenting >> GWT >> > > with frameworks like GWTP and other opensource frameworks makes this >> > > a formidable high performing application design architecture out >> there. I >> > > have yet to find a solid scalable OO/Java based design framework with >> this >> > > kind of pure OO and componentization power for user experience >> > > management... combine that with GIN/GUICE and it keeps on getting >> better. >> > >> > > I sincerely hope Google continues to promote this awesome framework >> and >> > > continue to make web development so much fun. Was kind of >> disappointed to >> > > see it go away from the front page of the new google developers site, >> > > however agree that this is a large and formidable community which >> shall >> > > continue to move forward. >> > >> > > Best... >> > >> > > On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Alan Chaney wrote: >> > >> > >> Hi Joseph >> > >> On 04/03/2012 08:34 AM, Joseph Lust wrote: >> > >> > Alan, >> > >> > >> > Thanks as always for your courteous replies. I'm grateful for the >> > >> > efforts the Google developers put into GWT, as any other >> enterprise >> > >> > building such a framework would most certainly charge the Earth >> for it >> > >> > while also crippling its functionality in exchange for customer >> > >> > lock-in. Google just makes great software. >> > >> > >> > However, I work in a large enterprise where our GWT Community of >> > >> > Practice group must make a case for why any new application should >> use >> > >> > GWT. It is important to management to know the future of GWT and a >> > >> > roadmap is how this is commonly done. While I don't personally >> think >> > >> > GWT will suffer from the recent project pogroms at Google, a >> roadmap >> > >> > and rough release schedule will lend greater confidence to others >> in >> > >> > the stability and longevity of the framework needed before a >> company >> > >> > is willing to build multi-million dollar projects with it. >> > >> > >> Have you seen this thread on Google+? >> > >>https://plus.google.com/**117487419861992917007/posts/**6YWpsHpqMqZ<https://plus.google.com/117487419861992917007/posts/6YWpsHpqMqZ> >> > >> > >> especially Ray Cromwell's comment about half-way down? Also Eric >> > >> Clayberg's - I suggest you read the whole thread, but I've copied >> and >> > >> pasted two comments which caught me eye. >> > >> <SNIP> >> > >> Ray Cromwell: "Many of Google's services are still being written in >> GWT >> > >> and won't change anytime soon, for example AdWords and AdSense, from >> > >> which Google derives the majority of their revenue, are written in >> GWT, >> > >> so given that fact alone, GWT will be around for a long time and >> > >> continue to be improved. The loss of Ray Ryan and Bob were a big set >> > >> back (unrelated to Dart), and we have people trying to get up to >> speed >> > >> on their contributions to maintain them, but honesty, we rely on >> many of >> > >> our top external users like Thomas Broyer and Stephan Haberman to >> fill >> > >> the gap until that time. (Thanks guys) Turnover is natural and >> happens >> > >> at all companies, and it's always rough. >> > >> > >> The next release or two of GWT may include more core improvements >> than >> > >> the last few point releases of GWT so far, consider: >> > >> 1) Compiler optimizations that reduce code by size by 30% >> uncompressed, >> > >> and 15% gzipped >> > >> 2) SourceMap support and Source-Level Java debugging in Chrome (and >> > >> hopefully Firefox) >> > >> 3) A "super draft mode" that can recompile many apps in under 10 >> seconds >> > >> and most under 5 >> > >> 4) New "to the metal" "modern browser" HTML bindings >> > >> 5) Testing framework that makes GUI testing delightful >> > >> 6) Incremental compile support to speed up production compiles >> > >> > >> So code will be getting smaller, faster, easier to debug (in some >> > >> situations) and test, and compiles will go quicker. This reflects >> > >> somewhat the shift in GWT team composition, but as people ramp up on >> > >> other parts of the SDK (e.g. MVP stuff), I'm sure there will be >> improved >> > >> responsiveness to fixing bugs in that area as well. >> > >> > >> Obviously, we want Dart to be a huge success, but even if it is, >> Java >> > >> isn't going away anytime soon. :)" >> > >> </SNIP> >> > >> <SNIP> >> > >> Eric Clayberg: "I can assure you that GWT is not in maintenance >> mode. >> > >> Not even close! Quite the contrary, GWT is very healthy, and the GWT >> > >> team continues to focus on making GWT a great choice for building >> > >> structured web applications now and in the future. If you have the >> need >> > >> to start a new web app project, GWT would be an excellent choice, >> and >> > >> there is no reason to avoid it. The GWT team is fully staffed, and >> we >> > >> have very ambitious plans for GWT's future. GWT is used by many >> large, >> > >> important projects within Google (and outside Google), and that is >> > >> unlikely to change any time soon." >> > >> <SNIP> >> > >> > >> I accept that its not an official roadmap - but it seems to give a >> clear >> > >> indication of a continued commitment to developing GWT, albeit on a >> > >> slower scale than before. I shoudl add that I have no commercial >> > >> affliation with Google whatsoever, I just use GWT in a couple of >> > >> different projects in two different companies. >> > >> > >> Alan >> > >> > >> > If GWT retains buy-in at Google, I don't understand why such >> planning >> > >> > would be detrimental to the GWT team. As I see it, such public >> > >> > planning will only drive more companies and startups to join the >> GWT >> > >> > bandwagon. >> > >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Joseph >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > >> > Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. >> > >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > >> >https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/google-web-toolkit/-/** >> 5rzWGy06oFgJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/5rzWGy06oFgJ>. >> >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to >> > >> google-web-toolkit@**googlegroups.com<[email protected]>. >> >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > >> > google-web-toolkit+**[email protected]<google-web-toolkit%[email protected]>. >> >> > >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > >> >http://groups.google.com/**group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en> >> **. >> > >> > On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:07:22 AM UTC+3, coderinabstract wrote: >> > >> > > + 1... >> > >> > > Working on web apps since web came to existence.... asp, jsp, cgi, >> DHTML, >> > > javascript, struts and it was a real mess and did not truly enjoy it. >> > > Also,apps created were error prone with code bloat and good design >> was >> > > messy and a challenge. >> > >> > > The power of true OO, with Java, generics and good design with GWT is >> a >> > > complete game changing innovation compared to the page based >> development, >> > > untyped and script based frameworks in creating highest quality end >> user >> > > experiences. >> > >> > > Sincerely hope thats GWTs power with HTML5/CSS and supporting a truly >> open >> > > standard already qualifies this to be the best design experience for >> > > someone like me who really enjoys good application design. Augmenting >> GWT >> > > with frameworks like GWTP and other opensource frameworks makes this >> > > a formidable high performing application design architecture out >> there. I >> > > have yet to find a solid scalable OO/Java based design framework with >> this >> > > kind of pure OO and componentization power for user experience >> > > management... combine that with GIN/GUICE and it keeps on getting >> better. >> > >> > > I sincerely hope Google continues to promote this awesome framework >> and >> > > continue to make web development so much fun. Was kind of >> disappointed to >> > > see it go away from the front page of the new google developers site, >> > > however agree that this is a large and formidable community which >> shall >> > > continue to move forward. >> > >> > > Best... >> > >> > > On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Alan Chaney wrote: >> > >> > >> Hi Joseph >> > >> On 04/03/2012 08:34 AM, Joseph Lust wrote: >> > >> > Alan, >> > >> > >> > Thanks as always for your courteous replies. I'm grateful for the >> > >> > efforts the Google developers put into GWT, as any other >> enterprise >> > >> > building such a framework would most certainly charge the Earth >> for it >> > >> > while also crippling its functionality in exchange for customer >> > >> > lock-in. Google just makes great software. >> > >> > >> > However, I work in a large enterprise where our GWT Community of >> > >> > Practice group must make a case for why any new application should >> use >> > >> > GWT. It is important to management to know the future of GWT and a >> > >> > roadmap is how this is commonly done. While I don't personally >> think >> > >> > GWT will suffer from the recent project pogroms at Google, a >> roadmap >> > >> > and rough release schedule will lend greater confidence to others >> in >> > >> > the stability and longevity of the framework needed before a >> company >> > >> > is willing to build multi-million dollar projects with it. >> > >> > >> Have you seen this thread on Google+? >> > >>https://plus.google.com/**117487419861992917007/posts/**6YWpsHpqMqZ<https://plus.google.com/117487419861992917007/posts/6YWpsHpqMqZ> >> > >> > >> especially Ray Cromwell's comment about half-way down? 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