Jeff,

At first I thought this complaint was bogus (sorry roger), but I then
went to http://www.mail-archive.com/lists.html and clicked randomly on
lists and saw what's described here. Almost every list that I clicked on
had only a few messages and they all looked like spam. 

So the problem is not legitimate lists with Spam, but what looks like
fake lists that somehow made it to mail-archive. And it looks like, from
my random clicking that  the majority of the 3000 odd lists on the
lists.html page belong to this category.

I suspect that it's not a really big problem, because most people know
which lists they want and use the search to find them, but it might turn
off others and reflect badly on mail-archive, not realizing that it's a
great service.

Regards,

Dror


On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 07:41:39PM -0800, Jeff Breidenbach wrote:
> 
> I am CC:ing this to Mail-Archive's discussion list because it
> is of general interest.
> 
> >I clicked on a dozen lists on this page:
> >http://www.mail-archive.com/lists.html
> >
> >For some reason, every one of  them had only one or two messages archived and 
> >all those messages were SPAM :-/
> >
> >Perhaps there is a way that you might sick Bogofilter or something on those 
> >and delete those lists from the archive. Just a thought and I don't know how 
> >to do it.
> 
> Mail-Archive receives a lot of spam (along with lots of legitmate
> mail). Spam messages typically have screwy headers and thus often get
> archived as their own list. In general, I have the list of lists
> ignore anything that is colder than a few months, which somewhat keeps
> things under control. So the dozen archived spam messages you saw are
> still kind of fresh, but will eventually for all practical purposes go
> away on their own.
> 
> Running a serious spam filter on incoming mail is too computationally
> expensive (there is a lot of mail!) but it is an otherwise good
> suggestion. Unfortunately I know from my own inbox that a lot of spam
> these days is specifically designed to get around spam
> filters. Anyway, while spammers are still the #1 risk for
> Mail-Archive's longterm survival, things are not as bad as they
> might seem at first glance.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> PS. An unfortunate side effect of archiving spam is that
>     sometimes people get confused. They receive spam, do
>     a web search, find out that  Mail-Archive received the
>     same spam. The conclude that Mail-Archive is somehow
>     the source rather than a fellow victim and complain loudly. 
>     Maybe I need to make another FAQ entry.
> 
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