On 2014-12-17 6:33 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:
Sheeri said something very interesting the other day. She suggested that
people wanting not to be exposed to views they disagree with were
demanding a form of privilege.
There's no "demand" here, and to put it in those terms is unproductive. This is a request, made with the aim of facilitating discussions and fostering relationships without detracting from Mozilla's mission.

To put it another way, there's a big, big difference between someone
actually posting to frustrate the growth of a kind and inclusive
community, and other people using "you aren't fostering a kind and
inclusive community" as a stick to beat someone with unpopular opinions.
What it actually means in that context is usually "I've taken offence".
Or, alternatively, "I am hurt by this."

Your argument would likely be true if we lived in a world without deep-seated, longstanding structural inequalities, but that's not where we are. Power and privilege inequities aligned along political, racial and religious lines are real, and felt intensely by people who care intensely about those inequities. Many of whom are, unsurprisingly, Mozillians, who feel hurt - and I don't mean "offended", I mean "demeaned" - when discussions cross those lines.

This sucks for a lot of reasons, and one of them is that it's really hard to know where those lines are because we're human don't know each other perfectly, so people who care about one thing end up hurting friends and colleagues inadvertently. It's a shitty experience for everyone, and one that - particularly in a public forum - is _incredibly easy_ to get defensive and angry and reactionary about.

So, people do that because people and the inevitable reaction to that happens because people, and now here we are at the end of a long road of scorched and salted earth and everyone's rightly kind of gun-shy about sending stuff to Planet that isn't an ISO spec or new feature or a party that went great and hey isn't everything awesome.

We can do better. Not just to and by each other, but by recognizing that Mozilla is a community of communities and acting on that. I think Planet can play an central role in that, and this is a proposal for how we can get there from here.

However, Ben Smedberg's recent post (which, it seems from Yammer, many people thought was much more acceptable than other controversial postings have been) was an invitation to participate in one's religion. ("I'd like to invite my colleagues to Jesus Christ.") And such invitations are incredibly rare on Planet - that's the only one I know of.

Right, and my position is that we are collectively _much worse off_ as a community for these invitations, and the conversations they'd spur, being rare. An environment where there aren't any rules but for a bunch of unspoken reasons nobody chooses to raise their voice is not in any practical sense better than one where the rules say you can't. So let's try some guidelines for how to make raising our voices something constructive, that works and if we're a bit lucky, scales.



- mhoye




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