Dear Mozilla Governance,

a while has gone by since my initial post[0]. Since there was no reaction, I am wondering whether this is the appropriate place to discuss this matter. It raises the question how Thunderbird governance is "embedded" into Mozilla governance. On this subject, a former Thunderbird Council chairman, Kent James, once wrote[1] (quote): "There needs to be some mechanism for a rogue council to be replaced, but that can be done by the parent organization in the rare cases that it is an issue (Mozilla for us, Apache for their subprojects)."

Here a summary where I think the Thunderbird Council operated outside the rules, some of which it set itself:

1) Council term already expired earlier this year.

2) According to published guidelines, the Council is not processing any CPG reports. To my knowledge after 4.5 years on the Thunderbird Council, "CPG Violations <violati...@thunderbird.net>" has not existed until very recently and no guidelines exist for the Council to process such reports.

3) Even if the Council were authorized to prosecute CPG infringements in the Thunderbird Community, it's questionable whether it would have the power to exclude Mozilla contributors from Mozilla systems like Bugzilla.

4) When dealing with alleged CPG infringements, the Council is, in this case, witness, prosecutor and judge all at the same time.

5) The Thunderbird Council has a so-called Code of Conduct. It calls for four unanimous votes[2] to exclude a member. This was not followed.

6) The Council even went so far as to strip Thunderbird module peer-ship[3] which seems unprecedented.

Thank you for your time,

Jörg Knobloch.

[0] https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.governance/c/RQHR3eFAYZ8
[1] https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2015-November/004161.html
[2] If an issue is determined to be irreconcilable, the council may cast a vote to speak out a warning to the offending council member. The vote follows the normal voting process including a second of motion, but must be conducted under participation of all council members aside from the offending council member. The voting result must be unanimous, with a council of 7, 6 members must vote YES. Council members that have gathered 3 warnings are subject to an additional exit vote, where the council will vote on either suspending council activity for a set time frame, or excluding the member from further council work. [3] https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Modules%2FThunderbird&type=revision&diff=1230238&oldid=1228813

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