On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:47, Ian Cheong wrote:
> Has anyone done or seen total cost of ownership analysis of thin
> client solutions for GP land???

Long term cost of ownership is vastly different from short term ownership in 
this particular case, and the maximum saving is obtained in working hours and 
maintenance, and there the costs of labour differ vastly too.

> Alternatively, anyone prepared to report on their real total costs
> (per seat) for setting up and maintaining thin client solutions.

This I can do. I'll assume that the costs of keyboard, mopuse and screen are 
identical for both thin and fat client, so I'll leave them out of the 
equation

Since passively cooled thin clients with no moving parts have virtually 
indefinite lifespans and rarely become technically obsolete (it is usually 
only the graphics adapter that advances technically), I have bought all my 
thin clients second hand, e.g. on ebay. The average cost per thin client so 
far was A$110

In 4 years, I had to repair or replace exactly 0 (zero) thin clients, and 
since I use only two types (IBM NetVista and NeoWare Capio) all I had to do 
installationwise was configuring a suitable boot image once for each model on 
the server side, and that's it - no matter how many clients I deploy, there 
is zero set up cost beyond putting the device on the desk, and plugging 
power+keyboard+mouse+screen into it (+speakers and microphone if you use it). 
NO software installation at all, no configuration at all. Switch the device 
on after plugging it in, and if you have a login account on the server, you 
are done.

For the following I assume labour costs of $1/minute for the average techie 
hand

For power costs I assume 23 cents per kWh

It follows:
Cost per seat
NeoWare Capio 
Thin Client: $110 (if bought second hand) or $380 (if bough new)
expected life span without failure or obsolescence >= 10 years
Labour: $5 (for unpacking, putting on desk and plugging in)
=A$115 / A$385 when first bought
Power costs per year: 0.025kW x 24h x 365 days = A$ 219 (max. if no power 
saving features used and running 24 hrs a day)
Maintenance: A$ 0 (zero)
cost for 10 years: A$385 + 10 x A$219 (assuming new devices only) 
= A$2575 = A$257.50 running costs /year over a 10 year period per seat

Desktop computer:
cheap model starting at A$380 
expected life span without failure or obsolescence <= 2 years
Labour (assuming operating system comes pre-installed):
2 hours for initial software installation and configuration = A$120
1 hour every 3 months for software upgrades and maintenance = A$240/year
5 minutes daily for backup on 240 working days = A$720/year
Power costs per year: 0.15 kW x 24h x 365 days = A$1313
costs for 10 years = A$380x5 + A$120x5 + A$240x10 + A$720x10 + A$1313x10 
= A$25,230 = A$2523 running costs /year over a ten year period per seat

These conservative estimates suggest about a tenfold cost if not using thin 
clients

The server side:
The average server hardware I have seen used in surgeries is more then plenty 
to run it as server for thin clients, but let us assume you want a bit more 
grunt and a bit more RAM, and make that server A$1000 more expensive
Expected life span: 3 years

Let's also assume you'll need 10 hours more for the initial setup and 
configuration until everything works as it should: A$600 - this is a one off 
cost since you can simply restore those thin client settings onto new servers 
should the server hardware change as long as the thin client hardware remains 
roughly the same

The difference on the server side would then be over 10 years:
A$1000 x 3.3 + A$600 = A$3,900 = A$390/year regardless of number of seats

It follows that a thin client solution is already substantially cheaper from 
the very first thin client on!!!

> At least fat clients have some disposal value at end of life, since
> they are still usable as standalones. Total cost of ownership
> analysis should include that.

And so are thin clients:
- firstly, their hardware does not become obsolete as soon
- secondly, since they have no moving parts their MTBF can be measured in 
decades rather than years
- thirdly, they make beautiful print servers, MP3 servers, VoIP terminals, NAS 
servers etc when you don't want them as thin clients any more; they are 
eminently more reusable than decrepit obsolete PC hardware, and also have a 
constantly higher resale value than PCs

To me, it is an absolute no brainer. Even if the hardware and power costs 
weren't cheaper at all, the savings in support and maintenance are already 
more than worth it.
Consider: a desktop breaks down. Typical disruption is measured in hours 
unless you keep costly preconfigured (and regularly updated!) replacements on 
site. With a thin client, you grab one form the drawer, plug it in, and 
finished. Hardly any disruption at all.
Also consider security implications which are considerably less with thin 
lcients!

Desktop PCs in GP land are just for people who never could do math nor 
understand technology. 

Horst
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