I think ATI have improved their drivers a lot. I've only seen them from a 
Windows perspective though. For linux I have tended to stick with Nvidia, but 
ATI may well be worth more consideration now.

I'm surprised that distros would load ATI 3D by default when they don't for 
Nvidia. There was a package available for Nvidia in the Ubuntu repositories 
(may have been in multiverse, can't remember). Worked nicely.

I don't think it is because there is native ATI 3D support. I thought 3D for 
both was by proprietary binary installers only?





Regards,

Neil McAliece
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Murrumbidgee Division of General Practice
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----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Twyford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: General Practice Computing Group Talk <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:13:14
Subject: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Re: Thinking thin

Horst Herb wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:06, Greg Twyford wrote:
> 
>>>Currently I like the Nvidia based 6200 cards w/ 256 MB RAM- most brands
>>>are fanless, yet the cards deliver more than sufficient grunt even at my
>>>nowadays preferred resolution of 1920x1200, allow hardware accelerated
>>>rotation (for those of us having swivel screens turning from landscape
>>>into portrait) etc. at a A$110 price tag.
>>
>>Horst,
>>
>>For GP systems I specify a Gigabyte X-300 PCI-X Radeon card.
> 
> 
> Why? (Because of their excellent card independent multi platform driver 
> *architecture* which never have been matched by ATI, I tend to stick to 
> nvidia chipsets)

Horst,

That's interesting, as I've had to install 3rd party 3D drivers for 
nVidia into Red Hat & Mandrake, while most flavours of Linux seem to 
have the ATI 3D drivers available natively.

I have heard reports of criticism of ATI drivers in the past but their 
current Catalyst drivers seem very equivalent to the nVidia drivers in 
most respects, in Windows at least.

I'm sure both brand of chips are up to the task, as long as the card has 
a passive heatsink. In SOHO server or workstation cases that are without 
VGA case fans there are some good 3rd party cooling solutions.  I use 
various Antec cases, some with and some without VGA case fans, and 
replace the 8cm fans with Ceradyna ceramic bearing fans, which claim 
300,000 hours MTBF.

I use 3rd party slot-based extraction fans that use the Ceradyna fans, 
or the Zalman bracket that allows fans to be placed over the VGA 
heatsink, blowing down onto it. The Ceradyna fans are quiet at 2400rpm 
but the Zalman kits have a resistor fitting to reduce the fan speed to 
1600 rpm, if the noise level is an issue.

I've seen several el cheapo cases, with the internal air 'snorkel' over 
the CPU fan to allow it draw air from outside the case directly to the 
CPU fan, overheating recently because of a layer of dust and lint on the 
heatsink's upper surface. The snorkel seems to suck in the dust and lint 
much more than front air entry designs, especially those with filters.

After all it is now the 'cooking' season and more PCs out there have P4 
Prescott's and high-end AMD processors, which both produce serious heat, 
than ever before.

Greg
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