Andrew
It wont be me - I havent managed to produce anything useful in software in several years of dabbling. I suspect I will continue in my day job.
But the idea is intriguing. I wonder if the time is ripe for such a project.
We have gone round in circles for about 10 years by my reckoning with standards committees/meetings/discussions etc etc but I think it is fair to say that you and Horst and a few others are the only ones who have produced anything substantial that is not proprietary.
We remain stuck with systems that have very significant limitations.
I have used 3 now in various jobs

I agree that all the things you say will probably happen if a free system got up as it will threaten the status quo. However OSS software has a record of producing useful products for free - I dont personally use anything Windows in my home system. New systems of collaboration have developed and I am aware of very significant projects with useful outputs all on volunteer effort. (look at the HPSDR list if you want to see a cutting edge digital radio project). If you are not trying to make money it doesnt matter so much if you get criticized


Andrew N. Shrosbree wrote:

Richard,

Anybody who believes that an open source product will gain traction without the support of a major financial backer is a naive idealist. If you were to create something useful (and free) for doctors to use, I propose that you quit your day job because this is what you can expect:

1. 99% of users expect it to be as easy to install as WinAmp.

2. Most users expect you to assist them with the most trivial questions, regardless of whether they are paying you for the support.

If they can find you!
I think this is where there will be a commercial opportunity for someone

3. Interaction with other products will be demanded of your product, and you will be undermined and sabotaged by the larger vendors

The key (and the hard bit) is a complete suite of tools - then you wont have to interact except at standard interfaces

4. Your altruistic motives will be derided by your competition, with doubt being cast on your true agenda

Again while it is not entirely clear yet, the group does not intend to be in competition - this could be an important issue - what is the commercial intent of such a project?



5. You will be vilified by the opensource community if you dare to deviate from their puritanical, idealistic view of software.

Sticks and stones

6. Large companies will claim to cooperate with you, while using your product as a pawn in their subversion of their competitors.

How? The code will be GPLed


7. Some government committee will threaten to define a "standard" some time in the future, scaring the hell out of your users and undermining confidence in your product.

Maybe that would be a good outcome - they havent managed to define too many standards so far

Do yourself a favour, drop the idea. Slopping food for pigs in a moslem country is less thankless, and the pigs won't drag you into the gutter nor try to screw you.
Andrew

Dont worry - I am just an observer :)

R



Richard Hosking wrote:

I have struggled for several years(albeit part time and intermittently) to get to the point where I could contribute to a significant coding project. Still struggling with wxWidgets to write a small demo app - I regard myself as reasonably able when it comes to maths/electronics/assembly level coding, but I seem to be mired in various interacting errors and not making much progress.
(Oh well maybe the brain is getting old)

Still there does seem to be a lot of interest for such a project.
It would be "subversive" - in the sense that it will be free to users and the entity would make money out of installation and support. It would undermine the current market players. I think there is a lot of potential gain for somemone in the gap between M$/proprietary licensing and hardware and a free Linux based system I would envisage a capable system with accounting/appointments/medical software Fair enough about getting buyin from larger groups - but if you are not trying to make money, what does it matter? A free capable system will surely get traction once a demo site is available.

R




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