HI Horst, yes I was referring to electronic forms in the first instance. To deal with you second issue of populating forms. In the processing of transitioning people from their current information system (paper or electronic) to a new one, one of the best supports you can give them is to stay as closely as possible to their mental model of their processes and workflow. This principle may of course by in competiton with other criteria. One way in which you can do that is allow them to retain their current forms even down to the exact detail of geometry, layout, logos etc. We have attempted to do that in our research system along with satisfying Horst's demand for prepopulated content. We call our system Generative Hospital Information Management System (GHIMS) adn it has two classes of forms "passive" and "active". An active form is one in which information has been placed in it by a user. A passive form is one where ALL the information is supplied from other data sources (e.g. the whiteboard of cases in ED). At the level of detail of fields on a form then a form may have active and passive fields. This requires specification of where the data for the passive field has to be collected from. That bascially will be a reference to a field in another active form.
cheers
Jon

Horst Herb wrote:
On Sunday 17 December 2006 23:33, Jon Patrick wrote:
I must say that I don't think forms per se consitute the problem. Forms
are very useful as they carry the context of the contents and give some
information about the relationships between the elements on the form.
It would be fine for each clinician to have their own forms if

The only user friendly form is the form the user never has to fill in (manually), and the user never has to extract data from (manually).

If we use the term "form" as a synonym for structured machine readable data that is created by the computer "on the fly" from already entered data, packed into format that will allow another computer to reliably process that information without human information - then yes, forms need not be such a bad thing.

But if you refer to those horrible paper things that require me to stock huge boxes of useless pre-printed paper (where storage costs many times more than the paper itself), or those horrible on-screen forms that require me to enter data repeatedly / manually despite existing already in some format accessible from this computer ... then no, they are not user friendly - they are as hostile as they get, and I will have nothing to do with them but total war, no enemies taken, no mercy shown.

Horst
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