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From: Venugopalan K M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Oct 8, 2007 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: {greenyouth} Re: Praising Gandhi earns Kashmir CM a fatwa
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Sir,
Please don't misread my point.
Whether we like it or not, it's a fact that the majority in Kashmir is under
brutal suppression by the State. Their credentials for loyalty to the Indian
State are being repeatedly doubted as though they deserve no more equal
protection of law,equality before law and human rights as envisaged by the
Indian Constitution. This is exemplified in Afsal Guru's case and in many
other instances, where most of the formalities relating to one's right to
prove innocence in the crime/crimes charged were simply by passed.
My point in this context,was far from contending that Nationhood and
Patriotism itself were extra-legal. I like to repeat therefore, that the
Hinu-ised, manipulated ,communal and non-secular and extra-constitutional
brand of nationalism has has already enstranged the majority community
(Muslims) there in Kashmir.
This is not to be taken as an apologist's attempt to defend fatwas or ulema
rule. On the contrary, I would argue that any selective reading and
propagation of reports from Kashmir must be seen in the light of nefarious
attempts in the mass media to demonize Muslims as anti-national. If one is
genuinely interested  to empathize with the plight of Kashmiri people, it is
imperative to go beyond the Hinu-ised concept of patriotism and be informed
from all available sources.Fourteen questions on The Indian Parliament
attack published by Arundhati Roy, volumes of reports archived on the
enormous proportions of Human Rights Violations in Kashmir valley might
warrant our attention. Otherwise, one will only be contributing to,and even
help proliferating the violence and hate generated out of the Kashmir issue.

regards,

On 10/8/07, Murali K Warier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I didn't understand the meaning of your diatribe.
>
> The Sangh parivar's denunciation of Gandhi is as much despicable as that
> of the Mufti, no doubt. But the Mufti's pronouncement is unique in the sense
> that, till now, nobody, even the worst elements of the Bajrang Dal, have
> warned people of physical harm for praising Gandhi.
>
> >albeit in the sensitive context of a majority of  population having
> enstranged from other parts of India thanks to a hindu-ised, majoritarian ,
> manipulated and extra-legal concept of Nationhood/Patriotism
>
> What exactly does this mean? Naionhood/Patriotism is the reason for
> estrangement of people? Can you explain how a majority of people are
> estranged by it? And why is the concept of nationhood 'extra legal'? That
> the Sangh parivar preaches an aggressive variety of nationalism doesn't mean
> the concept of nationhood is itself 'extra legal'. 'We don't need no
> national boundaries because we are peace lovers' is as much practical in a
> real world as 'we don't need no law enforcement because we are not
> quarrelsome'. Unfortunately, Pakistanis and Chinese do not understand our
> magnanimity, and care even less.
>
> I find it interesting that people who denounce nationhood in the loudest
> terms find no problem with 'sub-nationhood': not only that, the aggressively
> promote subnationalism too. That the so called sub-nationalities are based
> on much more narrower and parochial communal and linguistic considerations
> than Indian nationalism, and seek to establish non-democratic, one-religion
> theocracies hardly seem to bother them.
>
> Best regards,
> Murali.
>
> On 10/8/07, Venugopalan K M < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > When Godse  killed Gandhi  and the 'parivar' people  distributed sweets
> > in celebration of the act of finishing the 'traitor'   in 1948,  no sensible
> > person could have imagined  that this breed of fire brand 'patriots' after
> > four decades would ride over a massive hate campaign
> >
>
> >
>

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