Dear friend,
i can send it and someother discussions as well.
,please give me your postal address.yes,there are
different voices.what i was writing about european
context particular.

--- aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> Dear Viswanath,
> 
> 
> > One of the dangerous politics of the GLBT is that
> they
> > are supporting far right politics.
> 
> Please donot talk from thin air. Where do you
> substantiate your
> arguments? What do you mean by glbt, very loosely?
> Where do you
> substantiate your arguments?  Do you mean all the
> lgbt groups in the
> world? You must have seen the forwards in this group
> also about left
> lgbt/queer
> 
> In the name of
> > ISLAMOPHOBIA,New right political parties  of
> European
> > countries are winning their agenda very
> easily.They
> > are getting a googd support from glbt
> communitarian
> > politics.
> 
> WRONG! WRONG!
> You please refer the debate by queer groups in the
> west on Islamophobia.
> The response from queer communities to the debate on
> Ahmedinejad's
> talk in Columbia university is also contradicting
> your argument. See
> my own post in this list on 10th of this month
> (http://www.workers.org/2007/us/arizona-1011/
> 
> > In india,look at the position of GAY activist,Asok
> > kavi who writes the pathetic conditions of working
> > classes of Mumbai,but he is an out right
> anti-muslim.
> 
> Why do you equate Ashokrowkavi, with the lgbt
> community in India.
> There are groups like Labia in Mumbai itself, which
> actively
> participated in the post Gujarath riots campaigns.
> 'Voices against
> 377', 'Prism' Delhi, Nigah Media, Sangma Bangalore,
> Vividha, to name a
> few groups. Haven't you also noticed the
> participation and debates
> within Sahayatrika to other movements like the
> anti-ADB campaign?
> Nigah came in support for NBA, last year during the
> Jantar Mantar fast
> in Delhi. And also on individual capacity many
> LGBT/queer people work
> with various other movements. Ashwini Sukthankar and
> Ranjana Padhi has
> been very vocal of workers issues along with their
> sexuality activism
> 
> 
> I
> > can support his gay activism but not anti-muslim
> > politics.
> 
> Well, that is good, your support is very much
> needed. I also see his
> contributions as very significant, particularly
> coming out in Mumbai
> in 1990s. And like many other queer people I donot
> agree with Humsafar
> trust's positions on Muslims.
> 
> > in india,we also need such a critical coalition.
> 
> I think that there is an already existing coalition
> or presence. But
> many times the presence of queer people in other
> struggles is not
> documented or acknowledged. This is not to blame on
> the queer
> community itself. Also we need to look, how much
> other groups have
> been able to look at sexuality issues? Sex worker,
> kothi, hijra
> communities have a large number of Muslim, Dalit
> people. In fact,
> there are discussions going on in the sexuality
> circles on caste and
> class, thought not on a larger level. But what about
> other groups?
> 
> Many queer people get politicised by the venues,
> which even NGOs like
> Humsafar trust provides. And lgbt movement in the
> west has strong
> connections with working class and black movements.
> Genet has
> travelled all the way from France by swimming
> through the sea to
> attend black panther meeting. And the famour rainbow
> coalition of
> black people, queer and many other minorities is one
> example of the
> American coalitions. I also came through a radical
> journal of
> seventies called gayleft, which talked of class and
> sexuality issues a
> lot. The link is http://gayleft1970s.org
> 
> Aryan
> 
>
> 
> 


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