postal address? !!!!!!!! is it sarcastic?
even a primary courtesy to reply to aryan's mail is absent in vishwanath's
mail.
european context!!! even a 'casual' viewer of cnn news channel will see
many lgbt groups participating actively in anti-war marches.


On 10/17/07, C.K. Vishwanath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Dear friend,
> i can send it and someother discussions as well.
> ,please give me your postal address.yes,there are
> different voices.what i was writing about european
> context particular.
>
> --- aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear Viswanath,
> >
> >
> > > One of the dangerous politics of the GLBT is that
> > they
> > > are supporting far right politics.
> >
> > Please donot talk from thin air. Where do you
> > substantiate your
> > arguments? What do you mean by glbt, very loosely?
> > Where do you
> > substantiate your arguments?  Do you mean all the
> > lgbt groups in the
> > world? You must have seen the forwards in this group
> > also about left
> > lgbt/queer
> >
> > In the name of
> > > ISLAMOPHOBIA,New right political parties  of
> > European
> > > countries are winning their agenda very
> > easily.They
> > > are getting a googd support from glbt
> > communitarian
> > > politics.
> >
> > WRONG! WRONG!
> > You please refer the debate by queer groups in the
> > west on Islamophobia.
> > The response from queer communities to the debate on
> > Ahmedinejad's
> > talk in Columbia university is also contradicting
> > your argument. See
> > my own post in this list on 10th of this month
> > (http://www.workers.org/2007/us/arizona-1011/
> >
> > > In india,look at the position of GAY activist,Asok
> > > kavi who writes the pathetic conditions of working
> > > classes of Mumbai,but he is an out right
> > anti-muslim.
> >
> > Why do you equate Ashokrowkavi, with the lgbt
> > community in India.
> > There are groups like Labia in Mumbai itself, which
> > actively
> > participated in the post Gujarath riots campaigns.
> > 'Voices against
> > 377', 'Prism' Delhi, Nigah Media, Sangma Bangalore,
> > Vividha, to name a
> > few groups. Haven't you also noticed the
> > participation and debates
> > within Sahayatrika to other movements like the
> > anti-ADB campaign?
> > Nigah came in support for NBA, last year during the
> > Jantar Mantar fast
> > in Delhi. And also on individual capacity many
> > LGBT/queer people work
> > with various other movements. Ashwini Sukthankar and
> > Ranjana Padhi has
> > been very vocal of workers issues along with their
> > sexuality activism
> >
> >
> > I
> > > can support his gay activism but not anti-muslim
> > > politics.
> >
> > Well, that is good, your support is very much
> > needed. I also see his
> > contributions as very significant, particularly
> > coming out in Mumbai
> > in 1990s. And like many other queer people I donot
> > agree with Humsafar
> > trust's positions on Muslims.
> >
> > > in india,we also need such a critical coalition.
> >
> > I think that there is an already existing coalition
> > or presence. But
> > many times the presence of queer people in other
> > struggles is not
> > documented or acknowledged. This is not to blame on
> > the queer
> > community itself. Also we need to look, how much
> > other groups have
> > been able to look at sexuality issues? Sex worker,
> > kothi, hijra
> > communities have a large number of Muslim, Dalit
> > people. In fact,
> > there are discussions going on in the sexuality
> > circles on caste and
> > class, thought not on a larger level. But what about
> > other groups?
> >
> > Many queer people get politicised by the venues,
> > which even NGOs like
> > Humsafar trust provides. And lgbt movement in the
> > west has strong
> > connections with working class and black movements.
> > Genet has
> > travelled all the way from France by swimming
> > through the sea to
> > attend black panther meeting. And the famour rainbow
> > coalition of
> > black people, queer and many other minorities is one
> > example of the
> > American coalitions. I also came through a radical
> > journal of
> > seventies called gayleft, which talked of class and
> > sexuality issues a
> > lot. The link is http://gayleft1970s.org
> >
> > Aryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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